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something i noticed about the matrix...

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rsd
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im sure there have been threads about this... but anyways...

of all the actors in the world they could have chosen for trinity, they had to chose some ugly lady who looks like shes 40 years old. I mean, if they are gonna make a 5 minute sex seen in reloaded, they could have at least chosen a hotter actor...
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Oct 18 2003 10:02PM
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JibbaJabba
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i thought the fighting fuckin kicked ass.

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Oct 19 2003 4:10PM
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shibby
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the matrix is so damn complicated
Oct 19 2003 4:58PM
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Lateralis
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i find trinity has a nice fuckable body, but hey thats just sick and twisted me


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Oct 19 2003 5:12PM
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Markman
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fuck you guy's, the matrix rules
Oct 19 2003 6:56PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Yeah, it's a sick movie! Fighting kicked ass, the story was intense, and the acting was the way the Wachowski brothers wanted it.
Just because most of you can't get your prepubescant minds around the plot, doesn't mean it was a shitty movie.
I agree about Trinity, she is definately a butter-face. But KILLER body!
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Oct 19 2003 7:54PM
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Vtsnowski
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you guys just dont like cause you dont understand it , so the only thing you are with is waiting for some good sex or a hot chick. but there wasnt that much in it, so you got mad




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Oct 19 2003 7:57PM
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wolfmansbro
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the matrix was the greatest movie ever created but i think reloaded was not up to my expectations
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Oct 19 2003 7:57PM
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yeah, the matrix is godlyrific
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Oct 19 2003 8:15PM
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Maximumsushi
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The Wachowski said it best themselves. There are many levels to the movie, one person might just get the movie as an action movie and totally miss the philosophical overtones and most of the plot.

I think the reason a lot of people didn't appriciate the second movie as much is because the philosophical overtones were forced on a person moreso than the first. You can watch the first movie and not think at all about 'Brain in Vats', 'Determinism' etc. However, in watching the second movie, the architect, marlvingie and oracle scenes all deal with strong 'Determinism vs. Libertarianism vs. Compatiblism' overtones which some may find hard to get their head around. This probably turned off a lot of viewers who were looking for the next explosion, fight scene or pair of tits. I'd say the creator of the thread falls into this category.

Structure is a problem with the second movie. While the first has beginning, middle and end, the second is just middle. I hope the third movie fixes this and brings conclusion to some of the things presented in the second movie.

Oh.... and no one got shot in the second movie.
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Oct 19 2003 8:45PM
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wolfmansbro
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yeah i accually thought the action was over done and should have focused more on other parts. i didnt think that the 2nd movie had a lot of substance, well not as much as the 1st did
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Oct 19 2003 8:59PM
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Mattman
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Reloaded was alright, but the orginal was dope,
I hope the 3rd will be good
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Oct 19 2003 9:07PM
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JibbaJabba
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correction, that one bitch shot that one program dude in the face.

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matrix is confusing


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Oct 19 2003 10:07PM
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linejibber550
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see i of all people do understand all that pyscology and stuff of the matrix and i agree, but he second one really wasnt as good it was totally different from the first and in this one they kinda almost made it more of an action movie and they didnt put alot of empysis on the symbols and meaings in it, it seams like they crammed it all in, of course the 3rd one will explain it all
Oct 19 2003 10:29PM
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linejibber550
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wow thats prolly the most 'intelegent' thing ill ever say on this site


Oct 19 2003 10:30PM
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LifeJacket
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i'm going to bed assholes,

ip this cocksuckers,

as for the movies,

watch the animatrix, it explains a great deal. but it's just a movie...


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Oct 19 2003 10:53PM
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Maximumsushi
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That's really fucking sad dude. You didn't make too much sense. Probably because the entire post was one run on sentence.

I'm going to agree with you to an extent. Most of the symbolism from the first movie still exists. But they didn't build on it too much.
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Oct 19 2003 10:56PM
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Maximumsushi
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Well, not even really a sentence at all. Like Reloaded, your sentence had no beginning or end. It was all just middle. Maybe you were trying some sort of alegory... but I doubt it.
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Oct 19 2003 10:58PM
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Maximumsushi
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Oh and another thing! Its Philosophy, not psychology. They aren't talking about the way a human mind works.
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Oct 19 2003 11:01PM
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mikee
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haha, Im going to have to say that I thought the second movie was incredibly beneath my expectations. In the first they introduced an interesting concept that you think wow and puzzle over and it can lead on to new ideas etc, metaphysicaly speaking. After a few days of thinking about it and pondering over ideas you are done. In the second movie they seemed to try and make themselves sound like they were talking about alot of interesting things but when it came down to it, they were just adding alot of meaningless bluk to their previous concept. I Puzzled over the movie for a long long time and the concepts were just stale and there were even some pieces that just didnt connect (after analyzing it for hours we found some stuff we have yet to find the answer to). Also, if you have to watch the animatrix to understand it, that proves it was badly done. Anyways, just my opinions.

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Oct 19 2003 11:57PM
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Maximumsushi
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You don't have to watch the animatrix to understand it.

I'm pretty sure you just didn't understand the movie, sorry. The ideas weren't stale at all, their take on compatibilism where by second order desires are emotional rather than logical was very interesting, something I have never read even in books dealing completely with Compatibilism. Most people just didn't understand the concepts, and assumed if they didn't understand them, they obviously don't make sense. Get over yourself.
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Oct 20 2003 6:14AM
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auski
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woooo Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) went to my school (same as Hugh Jackman from X-Men and Adam Garcia). I think they're the only ones you Americans might know.
Oct 20 2003 7:02AM
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mikee
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I dont even know what that word means...

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Oct 20 2003 5:16PM
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seven20
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there were some problems with reloaded for sure and the first one will always be my favorite. but anyone who claims reloaded sucks or was pointless is obviously too stupid to be watching the movie. like someone mentioned above, there is a lot of meaning and philosophy packed into the scenes with the oracle, the architect, etc. and the fight scenes were amazing. it is a great movie.


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Oct 20 2003 5:28PM
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DrPepper
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maximumsushi, you are right on... we are talking about determinism, compatabilism and indeterminism in philosophy class. he brought up the matrix movies today. anyway, the whole movie is about those topics... and i could ramble on about it for hours, so i wont, maximumsushi is right.
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Oct 20 2003 5:54PM
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rsd
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actually maximumsushi, im always really interested in plot and storylines, and i think that the action is way to overplayed. Regardless of how hot/ugly trinity is, i think a 5 minute sex seen is completly unneeded. So know, im not looking for explosoins and tits and action and all that
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Oct 20 2003 8:00PM
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wolfmansbro
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i think the sex seen was important. the seen showed us the pasion that they had, and the seen has a lot to do with neo's dessision on to save her at the end of the movie. it shows the love and wi/o that i think it would have been harder to show that and why neo chooses to save her at the end
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Oct 20 2003 8:09PM
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Maximumsushi
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If you were really interested in storylines and plots, what was the problem. It was definatly there.

The 10 minute rave/sex scene was fucking dumb. They could have done the same thing in about 1/3 the time. That was there for the tits people I think.
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Oct 20 2003 8:30PM
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rsd
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^ yeah, exactly my point
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Oct 20 2003 9:06PM
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mikee
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I might just not have picked up on things, and I would enjoy having a conversation on the film in person, too hard over the internet. But I wasnt saying the concepts didnt make sense, I just said, they were meaningless. It just seemed to me that they used alot of big words to say a very unimportant thing. I would really enjoy conversing the subject but its too hard here.

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Oct 20 2003 11:15PM
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Krongos
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the matrix sucks, its nothing compared to lord of the rings
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tight movie





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Oct 21 2003 12:07PM
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Maximumsushi
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Krongos, they are totally different. I like them both a lot. One is an original scifi/action/philosophy trilogy, the other is a retelling of a trilogy of fantasy books. They both have their merits.
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