Other than the Guns and Icelantics, who makes them? I searched everywhere last year and couldn't find any. I ended up with the Guns and wasn't disappointed at all but would like to find something fatter. Plus, I want my guns to be my touring set up. I checked out the Lizzies and they seemed way too big for me too handle, even at their smallest size. Same with other similar skis. I'm only 5'2" and 110lbs if that helps. I got a pair of Karmas in 161 which seems to be perfect size for me and the Guns in 164. Oh yeah, and don't bother suggesting womans skis, I could care less about rocking pink skis, its just that non of them are fat enough.