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Oceans Warming Faster Than Realized

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Ryno
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A month ago I blogged a topic related to this issue and it focused on how the island country of the Maldives plans to deal with the potential rising ocean levels and the effects its having on their nations land area. Here is the blog link: https://newschoolers.com/web/content/blogs/hide_header/1/jid/363/eid/2587/

Well now there is a new study out, published in the scientific journal Nature which adds some support to the Maldives claim that rising oceans levels are going to be a problem in our future. Here is the link to the news story on Discovery.com since I know most people here don't have access to Nature: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/06/18/ocean-warming.html


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Now I'm not here to debate whether or not climate change exists because the earth is not a static environment and as a result, to claim anything but is considered boarder line dumb IMO.

What do you guys think of this issue and what sort of viable solutions do you think could be put in place in areas around the world that may be effected by this (ex. costal regions)?

New York city could be effected, Toronto could be effected, Vancouver could be effected...all places some of us call home. I think we need to start looking at solutions now so we dont end up at the last minute creating sandbagged walls around these cities :P

Your thoughts?
Jun 20 2008 10:10AM
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leckett1
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How could Toronto be affected? If my geography is correct the only body of water touching it is Lake Ontario...How could Lake Ontario rise to a dangerous level? I thought that lake helped create most of the precipitation Toronto gets and a lot of it gets rained back into the lake lol. I could be wrong though.

 The whole sea levels rising thing is still too contravercial in my mind. I remember in grade 12 we went on a field trip to a satellite imaging office in Gatineau (LANDSAT or RADARSAT something like that I can't remember) and I remember asking the techinician if they actually found evidence of rising water levels and he said from the areas they photographed, which mostly included the coasts of Canada that there was no real trend from the photographs.

But for a solution to cities on a coast I'm thinking a super huge glass dome with a little air hole on top
Jun 20 2008 10:28AM
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Ryno
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They there locks on the St Lawerence seway that regulate the water levels between the ocean and the great lakes? I can't say I know too much about the seaway so maybe Toronto was a bad example.
Jun 20 2008 10:39AM
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TeamJones
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Anyone else notice that they mention that the warming is happening faster than expected, but fail to mention just how much warmer they have actually gotten?
Jun 20 2008 10:39AM
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Ryno
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I dont think its a conspiracy theory because what I posted it not the actual report, rather a news summary of it. If I could get a hold of the report (which I will try to do) I'l let you know if I find anything on that
Jun 20 2008 10:42AM
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TeamJones
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I wasn't trying to claim conspiracy theory, I just found it interesting.  If you can find the actual report I'd love to know.
Jun 20 2008 10:43AM
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leckett1
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It's a legit theory though. Heat expansion is commonly known (got a flat tire because of it last week!) but in the summary Ryno posted it said that heat expansion contributes to 0.53mm/year of rising sea levels. I would exactly call that an alarming rate. Even after 10 years; 5.3mm...thats only half a centimeter. The problem with reports like these are people read them then become so freaked out by it without even thinking about the reality of it. Yes the climate is changing. It always changes. Climate change is natural. We need to adapt to it rather than stop it. Oh I think this is a good place to post this: http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/exploration/phoenix_weather1.asp it's the weather report for Mars!
Jun 20 2008 10:49AM
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leckett1
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"would'nt exactly call that an alarming rate"

Had to correct that lol
Jun 20 2008 10:50AM
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Ryno
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Thats the real point of my thread ...what sort of viable options do you think we have or could use to adapt to this possible change?

I always love hearing the different things people come up with :)
Jun 20 2008 10:51AM
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Mr_Papageorgio
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every body move 10 feet north. so for those of you in northern canada, its been a good ride
Jun 20 2008 10:54AM
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Inbred_Redneck
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Huge fucking concrete wall built around the city. I'm talking HUGE. Then we cover that with earth. We make a main wall to keep the water out of the cities, and then build some water treatment and de-salination plants of top of that to regulate clean water. Behind that towards the ocean, we have another concrete/earth dike with docks and other major boating shit.

Expensive as hell but sure beats a Simpson's movie like glass dome.
Jun 20 2008 10:57AM
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Dr_Feelgood
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yea man this is freaky shit. has anyone ever seen the day after tomorrow? my bro is going to school for meterology and he says that something like that could happen, but without the massive tidal wave pulverizing nyc.

with global warming and the polar ice caps melting, the freshwater from the ice sits above the saltwater of the ocean. if enough ice melts and the freshwater amount becomes too great, say south of greenland, the north atlantic current could shut off. if this shit was to occur we would have big problems. the UK would be the first slammed into a brutal ice age with the lack of warmer weather previously pumped north by the north atlantic current. then over time the ice, snow, and freezing cold temps slip south to france, spain, and other parts of europe, and eventually over to the US. pretty freaky shit, but he said the only possibility is in like 100+ years. i think winter year round would be pretty cool though...
Jun 20 2008 11:09AM
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PhaedeD
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fuck global warming shit is a joke, planets kill themselves eventually.
Jun 20 2008 11:16AM
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KRASHED
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Good work on not actually reading any portion of this thread.
Jun 20 2008 11:29AM
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PhaedeD
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ya i know lol i just felt like saying that :) i am not going to try and deny the fact i didnt read any post or anything in this thread i made a post of the topic sorry! haha
Jun 20 2008 11:32AM
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Ryno
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Its not even relvant to the topic though since the topic is brainstorming up viable solutions to the possible outcome of rising oceans :P
Jun 20 2008 11:34AM
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Pippin
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i agree with ryno's point that something seriously and drastically need to be done, however i disagree as i believe that Toronto will not be affected by rising water levels.
Jun 20 2008 11:38AM
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Ryno
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Well it wont be if there are water controll methods on the St Lawarence seaway. Anyone know for sure?
Jun 20 2008 11:40AM
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Pippin
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off to the googlemobile nananananana gooogle
Jun 20 2008 11:54AM
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grifter
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best long term (very long term) solution is to find a similar planet to terraform then screw that one up, so on and so forth....

(this wont be happening for the next few hundered / thousand years)
Jun 20 2008 12:01PM
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Pippin
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"Lake Ontario releases water through the St. Lawrence Seaway.  This spring water levels have been kept artificially high to deal with winter damming problems to the north, and to prevent spring flooding in Montreal.

Even without a spring storm, Lake Ontario reached flood stage--but is now coming down."

I am confindent here are some states:

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Jun 20 2008 12:06PM
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Ryno
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Someone has been watching the "Spore" trailer too much ;)

And i guess Toronto will not be effected...so it was a bad example. Vancouver and NYC still stand though :P
Jun 20 2008 12:10PM
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grifter
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will this make me sound retarded, but whats the spore ?
Jun 20 2008 12:14PM
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Pippin
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its okay, uk's just a bit isolated from the rest of the world hahaha no here yah go adam:

http://eu.spore.com/whatisspore/
Its going to be the next generation of gaming


Jun 20 2008 12:26PM
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grifter
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Awesome thanks Pippin, yea, the latest craze to hit us here in the UK was Dominoes.

But that game does look pretty cool
Jun 20 2008 12:40PM
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Pippin
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haha whatchu mean man, dominoes are coming back stronger than ever here
Jun 20 2008 12:41PM
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leckett1
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Dude fuck you glass dome ftw!

Jun 20 2008 12:43PM
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