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Bush urges to lift the ban on drilling in the ANWR

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720skiguy
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/washington/19drill.html?hp

hope you fuckers are happy. this is bad news.
Jun 18 2008 2:45PM
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Ryno
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http://story.news.ask.com/article/20080614/D919UQNO0.html

They are also giving legal protection to oil companies incase they killed polar bears while searching for oil in alaska. Its worth noting that polar bears were recently (last month?) declared threatened species. Great move there too.

Jun 18 2008 2:51PM
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Hubsta
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What a cock, Why doesn't he go invade Saudi Arabia claiming they have WMD's instead.
Jun 18 2008 2:53PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I love that guy...
Jun 18 2008 2:57PM
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KRASHED
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Sweet mother of god, I personally thought bush couldn't become less favorable but with just a few months left he's really done it.
Jun 18 2008 3:03PM
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720skiguy
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that's real fucked up.
Jun 18 2008 3:03PM
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thecounty
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BRING ON THE HATE! but seriously, we need to lower the cost of fuel, and with my family owning gas stations/convenience stores, something needs to be done to lower costs as much as possible, the constant yelling, threats and rip/offs have to stop. im pretty sure you all would say the same thing if you were in my position, so give me negative karma, tell me im a fucking idiot, i dont really care, i feel it is nescesary and just the way we have to do things now. just my 2 cents however.
Jun 18 2008 3:11PM
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switchskier206604
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lulz, he just wont die will he.
Jun 18 2008 3:12PM
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JeffersonDavis
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If you think its fucked up then i hope you're happy with paying up to 10.00 a gallon in the future and giving the saudis more money.



The amount of land in ANWR that would be affected by oil rigs is miniscule. And guess what? Oil rigs aren't permanent. We drill, we get the oil, and we move the rig. And you know something else? Animals adapt, which is more than I can say about liberals. Anyone willing to sacrifice the US economy for a few caribou is a fool.
Jun 18 2008 3:13PM
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spiegel
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i dont like bush but for once he finally did something smart.

and no, drilling for oil won't harm environment.  Look at Venezuala or south american countries, beautiful places with great wildlife and drillin for oil didn't ruin anything.  Also In the Middle East, it still looks clean. (granted it's a desert but it didn't darken the sand or anything)
Jun 18 2008 3:14PM
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cobra_commander
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any one willing to sacrifice one of the last of the American Wilderness for a year of oil is heartless.
Jun 18 2008 3:18PM
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lanks
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do you look at your reflection in the mirror each morning and consider yourself an intelligent person? you might want to do some soul searching.
Jun 18 2008 3:26PM
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spiegel
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no, just someone with common sense.
Jun 18 2008 3:28PM
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jerad
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you are the same people that bitch about paying $4 a gallon for gas.

you can't have both the environment and cheap gas.

pick one and stop your fucking complaining.
Jun 18 2008 3:32PM
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jerad
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a YEAR?

you think that there is only a year's worth of oil there?

do some fucking homework.
Jun 18 2008 3:34PM
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switchskier206604
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wow dude lol you really aren't getting the picture environmentalists are painting. ya it'll hold us over for a few decades maybe, but you only sound like a broke ass that doesn't wanna pay gas prices only saying what you did, waaa waaa. im actually with you on this believe it or not, rationally speaking. Why not kick the polar bears out if we need that shit? oh, because its our current administration for one thing which no one has any confidence left in. and it's not just caribou it's the polar bears that are federally protected by law, LOL OUR COUNTRY DOESNT EVEN HAVE A CONSTITUTION ANYMORE APPARENTLY. it's just an ill conceived  plan that'll be carried out by an idiotic president trying to save our economy before the end of his term but not before breaking some eggs right? thats been the story of his whole parade in office and actually the animals won't adapt because they're very specific to a certain habitat, which is why they live where they live and not in LA and when we intrude, it's called stress and that may drive them to leave whether they can adapt to another healthy environment or not. and yeah oil rigs are temporary, but thats a huge oil reserve man, i gaurentee you it wouldn't be an overnight project of pumping and leaving, damn you're crazy man if you think just having oil will save our economy. we got ourselves into this mess, now we cant just go drilling our way out of it, i mean it would fit the american model for exactly what would happen, some irresponsible wrongdoings to cover our own shortcomings.  ya it'll happen anyways because thats the world we live in, and humans come first in just about every society in world but when it's george bush calling the shots, the rest of the world is bound to fathum us as completely incompetent, and i don't disagree at this point because we've proven to the world that we are.
Jun 18 2008 3:35PM
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JeffersonDavis
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seriously, there is enough oil in ANWR to last us 50 years at a moderate rate of drilling.

There is more Oil shale in W.Colorado than all the oil Saudi Arabia has currently and has ever  had. The Brazilians just found 2 huge deposits in the Atlantic, that are bigger than anything found in the middle east. There are  huge reserves in S. Dakota that  are completely untapped. We have the means to become completely energy indpt , if it wasn't for Democrats and bureaucratic red tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOpcPfAarjY

watch that.


Jun 18 2008 3:37PM
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Ryno
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How about you pick up a pencil and do some yourself?

US gov't states that the US goes through 20 million barrels of oil a day.

Estimates of the reserves located within ANWR put the number around 4.3 billion barrels.

Simple math will tell you that if ANWR was the only source of oil for the Us, it would be empty in 215 days.
Jun 18 2008 3:44PM
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Ryno
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Which is a hilarous way of stating your point since the US isnt 'moderate' in its consumption of oil.

Jun 18 2008 3:45PM
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JeffersonDavis
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WOW, this place sure looks like a lush area teeming with life, this is the proposed area where the drilling would take place, and where t he oil is located


Click for larger image




the Brooks range and the areas the sierra club throws at you to garner support would in no way be affected by drilling.

Jun 18 2008 3:47PM
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rusteezee
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hahaha nice. this is great news.anyone who cares more about animals than oil is mentally retarded. bad news is that drilling in ANWR isnt killing any polar bears, i wish that were true though cause then you tree huggers would really be pissed. go fuck yourselves.
Jun 18 2008 3:56PM
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babujib
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jesus christ theres all these threads on how gas prices need to be lowered by drilling here and then bush does something about it and everyone bitches fuckin make up your mind
Jun 18 2008 3:58PM
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freestyler540
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And Bush calls it "Strengthen our national security". What an idiot. I hope the taliban hits the US again to make sure Bush calls off the drill and focuses again and the "war on terror"
Jun 18 2008 3:58PM
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babujib
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why would you wish a terroist attack yeah i wish the holocaust happens again no wtf are you talking about
Jun 18 2008 4:01PM
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rusteezee
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haha ok...fucking pot head bitch. go fuck yourself
Jun 18 2008 4:19PM
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Ryno
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FYI, you look dumber then him by making replies like that. Really doesnt help your cause...
Jun 18 2008 4:20PM
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tribefan226
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wow huge negative karma for you. idc what ur political opinion is, it is seriously fucked up to wish for another attack.
Jun 18 2008 4:34PM
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rusteezee
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actually no. this kid called the US government "criminals"

lets see who the real criminal is, casue last time ichecked smoking pot was illegal....
https://www.newschoolers.com/web/content/pictures/id/141232/member_id/23207/
Jun 18 2008 4:35PM
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japanada
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Couldnt agree more with that statement more Ryno!

I think that like many others have said, you need to pick one or the other. The environment, or lower oil prices. You cant have your cake and eat it too. For everyone that says tapping into ANWAR or anywhere else in the US is a waste and wouldn't lower prices at all, I think that is just ignorant. When the oil gods in the middle east raise the daily production of oil by say 1 million barrels, prices drop. The same thing would happen if we drilled here. I am not saying that we should just drill and drill and not change our habits on oil dependency, but the fact remains that until there is something more efficient, and widely available than oil, oil is all we have. The solution to our problem isn't going to fix itself over night, it takes time, and until then....
Jun 18 2008 4:36PM
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spiegel
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Uh, compared to the rest of the world, the American government is one of the sanest groups of government.
Jun 18 2008 4:38PM
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skier_boy26
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It's not like you have to pick one or the other, you just have to realize that with one comes sacrifices, so like almost anything that we ever do, we have to find some fucking middle ground.

I'm not some proponent to drilling as a means to solving our problems. Alternative sources (whatever they may be) should be sought after, invested in, researched and developed, etc. However, our economy has its nuts strangled by oil. Nearly every single thing we do is affected by it, so it is asinine to just think we can deal with oil that is skyrocketing, while 1) doing nothing about it and 2) only looking at alternative energy sources.

The problem with the government right now is that it has gone way too far to make it so we can get our own oil. We make it so fucking hard to get oil off our coastlines, from the land, and to build refineries, that of course our energy needs are fucked. The Chinese and Canadians drill off US shores, but we avoid it due to the chic environmental concerns, but in the end, more people just suffer and bitch about it; complaining about the situation that they put themselves in.

While just a single area like ANWAR is not the answer to oil needs (and I'm not exactly fond of drilling there), the broader scope that we can't drill anywhere is hurting more. If we do allow more places to be drilled, we may not get that oil for years, but the prospect of stability is most likely the greatest aspect of it all. That is why, in large part, oil is so fucking expensive: all the speculation on stability is shaken. The Middle East is always a hot bed, Venezuela is a bitch (well, Hugo Chavez is), and we have no means to bring stability because we are reliant on everybody else in this clusterfuck.

The USGS (yes, not some fascist republican organization) has evidence to believe that there are substantial oil wells within or near the US, including ANWAR, and while it is not the answer, the benefits it could bring are substantial. So before some of you dipshits shoot your mouth off, realize the bind we're in, and the prospects things could bring if we actually seized some of the assets, rather than just bitch about it both ways.
Jun 18 2008 4:48PM
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skiminnesota
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wow, i cant believe i just read that..... i dare you to tell that to anyone who lost a relative, on 9/11.....


and you people say that conservatives are "cold hearted bastards", this nut job just wished for another terrorist attack... wow, dude, just wow.....

i better stop now, this could get ugly....


Jun 18 2008 4:51PM
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Ryanvdonk
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this is why youre stupid...
Jun 18 2008 4:52PM
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skiminnesota
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dude, cant you see, its full of life! 

i cant believe you would destroy all those pretty plants and animals...


you must be blind,
Jun 18 2008 4:56PM
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GetPitted
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WOW you are stupid.
Jun 18 2008 5:12PM
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Dan.
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Bush does something right and you guys complain. pathetic. fucking pathetic. go drive your prius' and masturbate to gore while listening to phish.

Jun 18 2008 5:30PM
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ferrinski86
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haha i just laughed out loud! true

People also forgot that ANWR was 1 of 4 things that bush talked about today. He talked about more R&D for alternative fuels, about the oil shale in the mid west and the biggest talk today was about drilling of the coast in the ocean. did you forget that other countries are drilling very close to where we want to drill in the ocean? i think so since everybody is so concerned about ANWR.

I say we look at the off shore drilling and oil shale production before we drill into ANWR because, even though i support ANWR it is a touchy subject and a very large part of this country already supports drilling more off the coast.
Jun 18 2008 6:02PM
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bermbuster49
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Very true!  i remember everyone was all flipping out just like they are now when they were talking about putting the pipeline in. HAH,  later a picture was published of a deer sitting on the thing just chillin like "What pipeline?"
Jun 18 2008 6:10PM
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vinnyT
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Its about time we drilled anwar          
who gives a shit about wildlife? its a national security issue
Jun 18 2008 6:10PM
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Dan.
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you bring up a good point, other countries have rigs a few yards from where american coasts end, in essence we are letting other countries steal fuel while we sit and bitch.
Jun 18 2008 6:23PM
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Ryno
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Did he also mention the slap in the face they gave to the 'hybrid car' movement recently? The feds announced they'd split $30 million among the 3 big car manufactures over 3 years to help get hybrids on the road within 8 years. Reaaaaal sincere...

Hey Big-3, don't go spending all that money in one place ya hear!

Jun 18 2008 6:50PM
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ChrisMercer
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people this dumb shouldn't be allowed citizenship.
Jun 18 2008 6:51PM
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ferrinski86
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exactly
Jun 18 2008 7:00PM
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ferrinski86
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I assume your being sarcastic,

so what? even if thats not a lot of money those car companies are big boys, they can fend for themselves. its not like they are going to research any less if the government doesn't give them money.
Jun 18 2008 7:03PM
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Ryno
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Do any of you republican loving people read between the lines, or are you like mushrooms and just eat whatever shit the media/govt throws at you?

I'm calling out the idea that the Bush Administration is using weak ass gestures like these to claim they are helping to 'clean up the environment' when at the same time they are giving oil companies legal amnesty when searching for oil in environmentally sensitive areas along with massive tax breaks that amount to nearly $1.4 billion per year.

Yeah...that sounds like a real fair 'free market' you guys have going on. The U.S. government reaks of shit like this all over... How can you even be proud to be republicans when your republican representative can't even walk the walk when it comes to fair market competition?
Jun 18 2008 7:13PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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Do you people realize that the oil in ANWR could fulfill ALL the demand for oil of the United States for a year? Do you realize how big of a deal that is? You guys fucking bitch and moan about us going to Iraq for oil (where is that oil by the way?) and then when we do something that would actually get us out of the middle east (at least economically) and you complain?
Caribou won't die because of this. They'll simply walk past the oil rig if they need to.

You guys want alternative fuels? Great, so do I. How do you propose we get this fuel if nobody can afford to go to school? How are the researchers going to drive to their labs? The alternative fuels will come. We just need time. We aren't going to have that time if we don't do something about the current cost of oil. The other day Saudi Arabia increased production 200,000 barrels a day and the price of oil went up 2 dollars a barrel. You guys are blind if you think we don't need this oil.
Jun 18 2008 7:24PM
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mski
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people need to get over it...we need the gas. Yes we have already fucked the environment, but get used to it...we have drawn our card. Its time to deal with it. Animals are sweet and we need to keep them safe, but not at the cost of our own lives. "Sweet bambi is safe but were dead."
Jun 18 2008 7:28PM
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Ryno
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The only thing drilling in anwr will do is give the bastards rigging the system a couple extra years of fucking us.

The only way we will make the switch to better energy solutions is by pressure, and the sooner we run out of oil and are put face to face with this inevitable reality, the quicker we will come up with a solution. Hell...we probably already have it figure out but suppressed somewhere...

How can anyone further support the dirty politics of the oil business by agreeing that ANWR is the answer?
Jun 18 2008 7:38PM
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KRASHED
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You haven't even factored in the fact that the global demand for oil and gas has exponentially grown within the past decade. So the current estimates that you make of 50 years would not be the same within 10 years at our current growth. The shale fields in Colorado are not a solution to prices either as it almost costs as much energy to extract the oil in comparison to how much energy is produced as a product. Lately right sided politics has been scaring me with their ignorance. I know conservatives base their system upon holding onto traditions but common, you're talking about decimating a wildlife reserve that will barely survive even if we don't touch it!

You need to start using your head, maybe look on both sides of the debate instead of burying your head in a pile of Republican mud.
Jun 18 2008 8:08PM
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garrett.
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to the people that are against drilling there, may i ask why? the people that fuckin live there want to drill.  and plus, the only thing that lives in the drilling area are mosquitoes
Jun 18 2008 8:19PM
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