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Adding inserts to your skis.

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ESAND
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Kind of like snowboards or tele skis. Except you wouldn't be able to put them up from the bottom.

But you could use something like this

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Just drill it in. Epoxy. and viola! one binding for every ski. you own.

Anybody done this? Any logical reasons this wouldn't work and I shouldn't try this
Jun 17 2008 5:34AM
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zackblain
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line reactor....
Jun 17 2008 7:07AM
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Matteskier
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I mounted a binding in old holes but some screws didnt fasten so I but inserts in those holes. The binding will NEVER come loose with inserts.. I  really also dont see a reason why not having inserts.
Jun 17 2008 7:09AM
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MacMahoooon
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Until all manufacturers can standardize on a mounting hole pattern (or generic adapter) we will never see inserts. Really sad actually
Jun 17 2008 1:10PM
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ESAND
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but is there any reason I shouldn't just add my own
Jun 17 2008 1:56PM
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no_steeze
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unless all holes are drilled for your hole pattern its useless
say you put the inserts in for a solly but then switch to a look/rossi, you have to drill new holes
Jun 17 2008 2:29PM
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brenker
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if this were to happen, there would have to be one binding company that makes the removable bindings, which could wipe out drilled bindings, and drilled skis would fade away too.
Jun 17 2008 3:30PM
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Twig
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amplid do some kind of inserts for their bindings.
Jun 17 2008 3:48PM
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Hedekar
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If you are planning on putting these inserts in your skis in an effort to mount the line reactor, I wouldnt reccomend it.
Those inserts are far too weak to handle the forces created by the reactor hole pattern. If you want to install inserts for the reactor, you are going to have to put in much larger inserts from the bottom of the ski just like putting in inserts for snowboard bindings. They are going to rip out otherwise.
If you are putting the inserts in to mount a regular binding (solly/rossi etc) then you shouldnt have a problem. It is done all of the time, just use a good epoxy.
Jun 17 2008 5:09PM
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LC.
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You guys are idiots. Read what he posted.

Do it if you want but it'll cost you a lot if you get a shop to do it properly. You're much better just getting a second set of bindings.

And whoever mentioned epoxy, no don't use epoxy. You'll have problems with the screws when you try toooooooooo put them in.
Jun 17 2008 5:19PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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haha you guys are silly.

if the ski industry ever decides to regulate hole patterns, then hey why not?

But what if someone pulls a burton and makes thier own hole pattern that only their bindings will fit.

I am all for it, but I dont think doing it yourself is worth the time or effort if youre going to get new skis every year or two.
Jun 17 2008 6:55PM
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bsmith01
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You guys are all saying if he wants to switch to a different type of bindings he will have to drill new holes.  Wouldnt you have to do this anyways if you want a new brand of bindings without the inserts?  Doesnt seem like a big deal to me except for to get someone to put them in for you cause I doubt shops would do it for you on account of liability.  I wonder how solid they would be, seems like if snowboards do it skis could do it.  Im interested.
Jun 17 2008 8:12PM
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buchanan.
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are these the same as metal heli coils........?

Jun 17 2008 8:36PM
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ESAND
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Thank you for the "read what he posted comment" seriously guys!

I'll do it myself, I shouldn't have any problem. And as for the epoxy. I was talking about epoxy-ing the inserts. Not the binding screws. Is there any reason I shouldnt epoxy the inserts?


Jun 18 2008 12:58AM
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Caveman.
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I am thinking about doing this to. check out www.snowboardmaterials.com to buy binding inserts
Jun 18 2008 1:45AM
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LC.
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Don't do it yourself, you'll fuck it up.

And yeah, don't epoxy the insters in. You'll fill some of the inner thread with epoxy so the screw won't go in properly.
Jun 18 2008 4:27AM
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ESAND
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How will I fuck it up? Drill for the bindings using a slightly larger bit than normal. Wood glue or epoxy (the inserts i'm using are closed at the bottom). Screw in inserts. Screw in binding to inserts. Maybe locktite. And go?
Jun 18 2008 5:09AM
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LC.
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Eh, sure. Go for it dude.
Jun 18 2008 2:49PM
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bsmith01
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Im curious how this works so keep us updated, I might try this on my old pair of skis once I get my new ones mounted.
Jun 18 2008 11:30PM
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ESAND
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All right I'll keep you guys updated. My main goal for this is so I can swap between competition quality bindings (PX18s) and AT bidings (Dukes) and hopefully (one day) lightweight AT Bindings (dynafits) between all my skis (Xwing Labs, Squads, XXLs, Rockers). And so that I can travel more easily. you can fit a lot of skis together with out bindings in the space that a pair with bindings takes up.

So yesterday I put in my order for 30 inserts at the hardware store. They should be in tomorrow. My first experiment is going to be on my 4frnt STLs which are currently mounted with Scratch 140 bindings. I'm still debating whether I want to redrill the heel to accept the px18s or not (all but two holes are the same). And I'm still anguishing over whether to use epoxy or not. one one hand epoxy seals out water and would prevent backouts and pull outs. On the other hand I've never had a binding back out or pull out on me so I'm not sure it's necessary.
Jun 19 2008 12:04AM
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-Tristan-
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Do you mean have Duke and PX18 holes both on the same ski? So multiple pairs with the two sets?

If so that would be sick, and I might have to try it. One of the best ideas I've heard in a while, good luck. If you had a good enough supply of FKS, even one or two for multiple skis they could last a very long time. The only real problem I see is the effort it would take to always be swapping bindings around, but even thats minimal.
Jun 19 2008 8:55PM
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