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Shpadoinkle
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As gas prices continue to increase, Congress continues to blame others while ignoring practical steps to stop the pain Americans are feeling at the pump. To lower gasoline prices and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, we need real solutions to our energy challenges.
"We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices (and diesel and other fuel prices)* by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries."

Sign the petition @ http://www.americansolutions.com/

Sign it or shut our mouth because we are already debating this in another thread.
Jun 16 2008 10:01PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I like peanuts. Peanuts are good. I saw a peanut run down the street once.


For some reason this scale reminds me of Bam and Chris Pontius as a strong man with a golden dildo on Jackass 2. Justin, WTF?
Jul 14 2008 11:21PM
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Shpadoinkle
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That's amazing. I FEEL the exact same way about you.
Jul 14 2008 11:28PM
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morocco_mole
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fuck china, we gotta outcompete that shit. I will not support america if china surpasses us. That would be fucking embarassing
Jul 15 2008 12:42AM
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ferrinski86
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yes it would. but we did this to ourselves! it started after the industrial age settled down after the worlds and the "left" in this country started to take control. its sad but true.
Jul 15 2008 12:52AM
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Beef.Supreme
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you are a white girl that lives in florida and feels the benefits of white privilege to do luxery activities such as riding down mountains on glorified planks of wood.

how much money do you really need to save?
Jul 15 2008 12:57AM
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ferrinski86
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pardon me, but you are on a skiing website last time i checked which means you ski. what argument are you trying to make to aspen?

that she has money to ski and you dont?
Jul 15 2008 1:03AM
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Beef.Supreme
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i rode at a hill in ohio, not a resort, from the time i was in elementary up until my sophomore year of college. And the last 5 years of my time riding at that hill, i was working there so i rode for free. I got good grades in school and had the opportunity to spend last year at school in VT where i paid to ride Stowe for one year, and that is the best place i've ever been to my entire career, never out west, not one other resort even in new england.



so yes, i'm safely assuming that she has more money to ski than i do.
Jul 15 2008 2:03AM
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Skibumsmith
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I didn't say that at all. If that's what you got I'm sorry but that's not what I meant.
Jul 15 2008 2:38AM
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Quinny
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Bar none, if you want to see a relief in the price of gas, you need to reduce your dependency on other people (foreign nations).

We look at expanding domestic drilling and opening more refineries. This is what is going to solve the problem in the forcible future. We haven't opened a new refinery in some 15 years. This would increase supply, boost industry, and at the very least halt the climb in price. This however is a finite solution and would only bring relief until the next downward turn in the market.

We also look at alternative sources of fuel. While alternative sources are all well and good, none of them are really a viable option to solve the current problem. Ethanol is terrible for the environment and its growth in usage has fucked up the food markets as the prices of corn and cane sugar increase. Nuclear power can work to an extent, but its to inefficient to power a large part of the nation and cars cannot run off of it. Similar can be said about wind and solar as well.

If you fall into the Obama camp, you want to tax foreign oil, but not grow your own production. Now to anyone thats not a complete fucking idiot, that means the price of oil will continue to rise at an even steeper incline. Oil companies have no obligation to taxes, they'll just raise the price to compensate for that loss on Obama's tax. He wants that to happen because he wants to go cold turkey to unproven alternative fuels. That means we'll still be dependent on gas for at least the next 15 years (and thats probably overly optimistic, even by naive standards) while the government pours your tax dollars and going into further debt researching into some source of energy that would be anywhere close to as cost effective as fossil fuels. The average American gets screwed both at the pump, and during the April filings...all so he can "hope" for a solution to come along in the next 20 years.

What you really need to do is both. Expand our fossil fuel industry first, then explore a viable solution for later decades when the market is back under control.
Jul 15 2008 3:11AM
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Quinny
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And on this talk of hybrid vehicles, its still a new technology and car companies are starting to find ways to make cost effective to sell to the public. What about industry? Trucking shipments and freight trains are the lifeblood of the economy. You can engineer a cost effective way to make a hybrid engine with an extremely powerful capacity (to my knowledge no one has come anywhere close), you would be a very very rich person. In the meantime...could bio-diesel be efficient and available in large quantities?
Jul 15 2008 3:25AM
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Ski311
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Some fun facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing

Jul 15 2008 3:43AM
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Shpadoinkle
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You are so far off it's amusing. You don't know me, I don't know you. Let's just stay away from personal lives.


To the kid that posted something from Wikipedia...

C'mon, dude. It's Wikipedia.
Jul 15 2008 12:28PM
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bethyb
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wow. i put off reading this thread for so long because even i, who will admit to being insufficiently educated on the topic, could tell that it was going to be a filled with somebody's rediculous opinions and could possibly make me less intelligent for reading them.

i just wanted to say to the kid hating on asian allen, not cool! keep it up and you'll have the whole midwest skiing community in your face, except for this skiminnesota kid who can't seems to be very concerned about food costs. grow a fucking garden!

good job holding down the sensible side of the argument, drew, ryno, and others.
Jul 15 2008 12:55PM
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ferrinski86
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finally... somebody that actually knows what is going on. its so good to hear some fresh air coming into this thread. good post.

for the rest of you, we are not saying that we need to run off oil forever and that alternative fuels and energy is bad. Almost everybody i talk (who is worthy of talking to, mind you) wants to develop alternative energy and we both know that the switch is coming but its going to take time for 1) to get off of oil and fossil fuels and 2) to switch over to new energy sources. we have not even started this "transition" period, we are more or less in the R&D stage (well mabey the research stage not so much the development stage yet.

the whole point im trying to make is that if we dont try to control costs now we wont have an economy left in the future to run off new energies.

thats why this guys post is right on if you ask me. what did you people expect to happen buy buying oil from the mid east? that oil prices would always stay lower? its not just oil too, its all the other industries that we have outsourced to the rest of the world. now we make nothing in this country and now we have to ay the price to get it back here.

sad if you ask me.
Jul 15 2008 1:41PM
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skiminnesota
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what happens if i say i live in the inner city, in a apartment, with no grass, and i ride the bus to work...

where the hell am i supposed to fit a "fucking garden" ?   

also, dont know if you happened to notice, but it gets cold here, from say October to April, have a fun time growing food then...   (ok i should probably stop being a smart ass now :)

reality is, gas prices affect everything, and the price of food has gone up, and will continue to go up..


i am not on this site to make enemy's and i hope you who disagree with me on some issues will do me the respect of respecting my view point, and acknowledge the fact that i dont "hate" on anyone... i  keep it respectful for the most part...


Jul 15 2008 7:55PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Same thing here, Justin. I live in an old orange grove which is pure sand now. Our water table is really low now too since St. Pete is now flushing their toilets with my drinking water. The pH in my soil is really bad too. It's pretty much impossible to grow anything. The only thing that is good for us is that we have about 20 chickens so we get about 6 eggs a day. Not everyone can grow a garden.
Jul 15 2008 8:17PM
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RudyGarmisch
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You're so right. I hate my life. Is it across or down the tracks?
Jul 15 2008 8:22PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I'm sorry, whats wrong with Wikipedia? The page has citations from reliable sources, and I really have to strain in reading it to see and "bleeding heart liberal' sway to it.

Also, if you want cheaper gas without any of this argument, go after these fucks:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news/companies/exxon_earnings/
Jul 15 2008 8:28PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Why do you have such a problem with oil companies? I really want to get hear about your issue with them.
Jul 15 2008 8:34PM
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Calb3rt
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hey that reminds me of reading this in my newspaper...

http://newsminer.com/news/2008/jul/11/exxon-valdez-plaintiffs-ask-interest-payments/
Jul 15 2008 8:34PM
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RudyGarmisch
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... you dont see a problem where our government gives these guys millions in tax breaks and stimulus packages, our gas prices rising despite these cutbacks, and then they post record profits? I'm sure theres some bureaucratic bullshit someones just itching to jump in and spray all over the place to make this seem okay to everyone, but heres what I see:


Jul 15 2008 8:58PM
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Holte
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Once again, the big five oil companies have approximately a four percent profit margin. Rowen, even if we took ALL their profit, four percent cheaper gas isn't very much.
Jul 15 2008 9:02PM
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iggyskier
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wait wait wait...

this coming from the same person who referred to Obama as just another one of those Husseins.

Right.  How that mature adult thing working out for you?  O...did you shit yourself again while attempting to have a real debate with intelligent people?  Sounds good.  I will go get you a new diaper.















































Please for the love of ALL that is holy....stop talking for the sake of humanity.
Jul 15 2008 9:07PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Millions is nothing compared to the trillions we are in debt. Yet Congress just keeps packing more digits onto that trillion number.
Jul 15 2008 9:25PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said he was "another" Hussein. I said that he grew up around Islam so in the end you tend to lean in that direction.

Sorry, but I have never name-called in here. I also have never even attempted to insult someone.

I think your Socialist side needs move to small island in the Pacific to start your own little big-government.

Jul 15 2008 9:47PM
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Valind
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who cares, gas is not going down anytime soon.
Jul 15 2008 9:51PM
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iggyskier
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You exact quote....

"McCain sadly has my vote because I don't want a waffling socialist and an unexperienced senator with the name "Hussein" running the country I live in."

From this thread - https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/366331/

So yeah, not "another" Hussein, but equally as bad.  You actually used his name as a justification for him not being president.

You have never attempted to insult someone?  Hell even your response above to Drew can be considered an insult.

What Drew said about your responses consisting of you just holding your fingers in your ears to whole time is dead on.  You never actually participate in real debates.  You sort of just...make noises.  That above quote and thread are exactly what I am talking about.  You said you don't like Obama's policy, and we ask you what about his policies you don't like, and you hardly respond with anything even slightly coherent.

And I am all for this Pacific Coast splitting off.  Let's see how the entire fucking south and midwest do once they lose the GDP of California.  =)
Jul 15 2008 10:04PM
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Shpadoinkle
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That was not a subject change. I was comparing. Oil companies still pay WAY more taxes than you.


Please, Drew, get over yourself. You all think that this whole oil thing can be fixed with alternative fuels tomorrow. You all need a reality check.

Jul 15 2008 10:08PM
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comeatmebro
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i tried to stay clear of this thread but i just want to say one thing...

aspen, you are making yourself look like a retard. you're basically getting your ass rammed by people who are much better debaters than yourself. sorry, but just give up i hate seeing this thread still around. it's pointless and pretty much a "who wants to make aspen look stupid today" thread.
Jul 15 2008 10:14PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I never said he was related to Saddam Hussein. I was referring to the fact that he has Islam running through his blood. I have plenty of other reasons for him to not be president.

Oh, please. Get over yourselves. All you guys do it talk about yourselves. You don't talk about the rest of the country that has different levels of society.

No one has ever asked me about his policies. I don't even want to talk about his policies since he changes them every other day. BTW, this is a thread on oil.

China owns all the ports on the Pacific Coast. Thanks to precious Carter we don't own the Panama Canal. Again, we rely too much on foreign, how should I call it? SHIT. America needs to grab their balls again and become their own country like the day after the Revolutionary War.

Shawn, you have obviously never heard a conservative since all you liberals just get louder, and louder, and louder, and louder, and louder until all you hear is squeaking like a wheel that is in desperate need of WD40. When you all get louder, the conservatives get more quiet because we are tired of hearing the same old song at really high pitches.
Jul 15 2008 10:41PM
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iggyskier
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Wait.....
Ok, Please head shawn's advice and stop. Please. 
Did you really...really...really just post?!

I am going to make it big and bold just so we are clear.

I was referring to the fact that he has Islam running through his blood.



There is seriously nothing more to say.  You have consistently proved that you are one of the most ignorant voices on this forum.  It is painful obvious how set in your ways you are, and just how sad those ways are.

I wish you the best.  I wish us all the best.  But with mentalities like yours, this world is a very very scary place.


Jul 15 2008 10:47PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Your government can tax them more, but they already give so much to this country you can't believe. It's extremely evil that they are keeping it to themselves, but what can you do? Just say, "Fuck it! Just stop buying oil from them right now, and don't drill because then we will be dependent on oil for the rest of our lives." You can't do that.

I haven't changed the subejct. We are talking about oil.
Jul 15 2008 10:57PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Meh, its still $0.02 cents off my gallon. It adds up, and I'm sure it would help our economy to have that 11 billion back amongst the American people rather than a handful of shareholders. And besides that, its the one issue I see surrounding this issue that hopefully everyone can agree is just plain atrocious.
Jul 15 2008 10:58PM
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iggyskier
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From the thread I listed above, after you said the following:

Aspendukes:
"The biggest issues with me are his views on abortion, guns, etc. And the fact that he doesn't have any experience. Two years in the Senate hardly makes you credible."

To which I later replied:
Iggyskier:
"If you want to go and elaborate on why he is in your opinion a bad candidate based upon his views on abortion, guns, etc, then by all means do so and actually have something to say.  Instead you come off as just another ignorant American who sees a name that reminds them of a Muslim terrorist (even though the person in question is a well known Christian Senator....not quite a terrorist) and then spouts of some pointless shit about how his views are bad when the real issue is you just can't deal with the fact that he is black and has a Muslim sounding name.

If that ain't the case, let us know.  Instead of just saying fuck it and telling us this is pointless, how about you tell us why we should be worried about Obama becoming the president.  It is your country too, remember, and if it is going down the shittier, maybe we should figure out how the fuck to stop that before it is too late.....That would involve discussing the issues that affect all of us, none of which have anything to do with the person's name.

He could be named Real Men Suck Cock for all I fucking care.  If he/she is smart, capable, and honest (three traits completely absent in the past eight years) then he would still have my vote if I thought he would improve this country by becoming president. "

Just one example of people asking you WHY you don't like him BECAUSE OF THE MOTHERFUCKING ISSUES.

Tell us already.  Or is that too much to ask??
Jul 15 2008 10:58PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I don't know how you don't see this as any kind of problem. Though is views are night and day every other day...that's what scares me the most.
Jul 15 2008 11:03PM
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Valind
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Is this thread really still around?
Jul 15 2008 11:05PM
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iggyskier
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Just so we are clear, you are saying anything that has to do with Islam is a problem, correct?
Jul 15 2008 11:05PM
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Shpadoinkle
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This is actually skiminnesota replying:

thank you. at least someone other than myself sees that the oil company's are not making off like robber barons..

sure they might have a huge number next to there name, but when look at the total  amount of business that they do... NOW that is a huge number, also look at the amount they pay in taxes..

not trying to call a bluff or anything but i would love to see the source, so i could use it for future reference, because if my memory serves me correctly i thought the number was more around 6% profit, really not that big of a number...
Jul 15 2008 11:06PM
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RudyGarmisch
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"The impression that Barack Obama is Muslim crosses party lines with 10% of registered voters overall, including 14% of Republicans, 10% of Democrats and 8% of independents, telling I recent Pew poll that they think the Illinois senator is Muslim, compared with 53% who correctly identify him as Christian and about a third who say they don't know what his religious beliefs are. Fully 79% of the public say they have rumors that the Democratic presidential candidate is Muslim."

http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynumber/?NumberID=509


I'ma gonna go and probably say shes in that 14% right there.
Jul 15 2008 11:06PM
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iggyskier
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At this point, fuck the whole muslim thing and fuck the oil thing.

Aspendukes...tell us WHY you don't like his issues?  What policies does he have that you disagree with and how is McCain better?
Jul 15 2008 11:09PM
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RudyGarmisch
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11 Billion Dollars Net for one company for one year is kinda a large number, at least to me. I really cannot believe that a person can reflect on this and think its "fair". Exxon gave their CEO a parting gift of nearly $400 million. That works out to be like $144,000 for every single day he worked at Exxon. You see that, the government subsidies and the still rising price of gas in this country and go "huh, well they did all they could..."
Jul 15 2008 11:11PM
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Shpadoinkle
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skiminnesota says:

ok, so if Obama, and yourself are for taking away oil company's profits, and if that only helps you out by .002 cents.. why the fuck would Obama, be against a national gas holiday, when that would save the average american 18 cents a gallon, and roughly 30$ over the course of the summer.. second wouldnt it be much easier to take a gas tax off the books for the summer, rather than try and steal money the oil company's worked for?    seems to me that you (and obama) just hate the fact that Oil company's make money, well i have news for you, EVERY BUISINESS is out there to make money...


Aspen says: Whoa, buddy! HAHA!

Jul 15 2008 11:21PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I agree, it's not fair. It's business though. It's THEIR business. They have a lot of money to throw around.
Jul 15 2008 11:26PM
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Ryanvdonk
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stop posting for someone else. it's fucking annoying.
Jul 15 2008 11:34PM
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RudyGarmisch
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It ceases to be their fair profits when they get cutbacks from our government in order to try and keep gas prices down. Thats money I pay to the government in taxes that goes into the pockets of this companies CEO and shareholders. It seems wholly wrong for America to be suffering from the high prices of fuel and have these guys rolling in cash at the same time.

And fuck if I care about how much it saves me personally. What the fuck happened to holding corporations accountable for raping their customers and hurting our economy?
Jul 15 2008 11:36PM
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iggyskier
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aspendukes needs to fill up her boat, remember?
Jul 15 2008 11:40PM
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comeatmebro
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last thing i will say here, both of my parents are very conservative as well as all of my other relatives and parents friends. just stop, you're taking up useful thread space.
Jul 15 2008 11:40PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I agree, but businesses have been doing shit like that for years. Believe me, I know. We just had a 24-month feud going on with the IRS that just got dropped because our accounted forgot to turn in a stupid piece of paper. Our government just keeps spending money that we don't have.

I'm posting for Justin because he has even shittier internet than I have. It's the nice thing to do. He really wants to respond but can't so I am fueling his excitement by posting for him.
Jul 15 2008 11:50PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I call truce. I'm done talking about oil, Obama, etc. It's not worth it anymore. It could just end up hurting me in the end, and it already kind of has (I don't need to go into detail about it though.). Thanks for the debate, but I'm done. I would rather this thread die, but you all can keep going if you want. I cease-fire.
Jul 16 2008 12:30AM
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casual
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 Guys...seriously...let it go.  It's abundantly clear that aspendukes is essentially spamming.  She's advertising right wing propaganda...her posts are utterly and completely devoid of anything even approaching an original thought.  Even if/when she posts something that is valid, or that contains a grain of legitimacy, it's just the cliff notes of someone else's grandstanding.  Alternatively, she literally cuts and pastes, or links, to someone else's ideas.
 
  She's proven time and again that she's incapable of critical thinking, or atleast of articulating those thoughts or arguments that she may have.  So, she's either an idiot, or struggles with linguistics.  In the end it amounts to the same - a one sided debate.

  She's been generous with the intimate details of her personal life here.  Recap:  Her father owns a small business, she loves the confederate flag, she drives a pick up, she has enough money to live between FL and CO, and I'm pretty sure she's posted about guns.  Ofcourse she believes what she does...she is a poster child for the GOP.

  Drew, Rowen, Iggy...you've all responded thoughtfully, intelligently, and passionately.  Thank you.  It's time to stop responding to a child.  Would you punch an 8 year old back if he punched you?  Even if that 8 yr old doesn't know he/she's 8...you can't hit em back.

  Aspen....please....stop.  Everyone is entitled to their views and beliefs.  Liberal, Conservative...I'd like to think we all cherish that tenet.  That being said...your point(s) have been made.  It's clear that you enjoy the attention and controversy created by your posts, as evidenced by your eagerness to reply to every post vaguely aimed in your direction.  You're intentionally being incendiary and bullish.  It's fucking obnoxious.      
Jul 16 2008 12:32AM
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