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Moment square tips

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huge-go
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What is the point of the square tip? Does it just look dope or does it serve some kind of performance enhancing function? The only thing I could see the square tip doing is hooking in bad snow like crust or something. Could someone enlighten me?
Jun 16 2008 5:51PM
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dave44
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Simply cosmetic. Unless you making true-noses a bit easier counts as a performance enhancer.

Jun 16 2008 5:55PM
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brenker
Posts: 3188 - Karma: 71
its really unlikely that the squared tips would hook in the snow, theyre high enough off the snow that it wouldnt touch it...but i personally i think they do it for 2 reasons...1..to stand out and make a style statement in the ski market....and 2...it could make the ski slightly lighter than rounded off tips.
Jun 16 2008 6:36PM
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huge-go
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Hooking is possible still. It might just be wind affected, so you'd be sinking in enough that the tips could go under the snow. And how would square tips be lighter. It seems like more material to me.
Jun 16 2008 8:53PM
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brenker
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pretty sure its less material
Jun 16 2008 9:04PM
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huge-go
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How? Rounding tips means cutting material off. Take a moment ski, and put a regular ski underneath it of the same length, and I'm gonna assume the moment ski will protrude out from underneath the round tip ski, therefore there's more material, and as a result more weight. Unless there's some strange form of subtraction by addition that goes on here that you'd like to explain to me.
Jun 16 2008 9:11PM
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shabinka
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they could use a less dense material causing it to be lighter.
Jun 16 2008 9:13PM
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huge-go
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That's a possibility. But then that's a question about materials, not the geometry of a ski.
Jun 16 2008 9:20PM
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phishfood
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so when u see some guy slaying pow or park and think "shit i want his skis so i can ski like him" , but he's too far away to read his skis, you see square tips and say "oh of course, it's moment! ima go buy some moment skis"

thats the reason

oh and they look awesome
Jun 16 2008 9:33PM
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brenker
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squared^                 rounded^

less material
Jun 16 2008 9:34PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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FOR FUN!!!!


Thats all.

anything else is just a side effect.
Jun 16 2008 9:53PM
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huge-go
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Dude, those skis would be different lengths.
Jun 16 2008 10:06PM
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brenker
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im aware
Jun 16 2008 10:08PM
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huge-go
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Whatever, I was wondering about performance, like whether they helped edging or something along those lines, not so much weight. I'm not arguing about this stuff.
Jun 16 2008 10:09PM
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Franny
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K2 should do the same thing on the PE cuz that would look sick. Plus, the tip and tail are already curved up pretty high.
Jun 16 2008 10:34PM
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Powforbreakfast.
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Dude, are you serious?  I'm only posting once and i'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but your drawing is simply retarded and is going against what you're saying. 

1. a moment ski at say, a 180, would be the same length and a rounded-tip ski in a 180... which does not correspond to your drawing, and goes against your statement which i'm quoting.
2. if you were to put those drawing on top of each-other and compare (as stated above), the moment skis would definately show with a greater girth than that of the rounded tips.
3.  i don't even know what to think, because your logic is rediculously skewed.

I do believe you are incorrect. 
Cheers, mate.
Jun 16 2008 10:55PM
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brenker
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its just a drawing from paint, chill out. I didnt take exact measurments and stuff like that, its just an estimate to show that squared tips are basically rounded tips cut off. take it easy.
Jun 16 2008 11:35PM
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Santa-Cruz
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because there fucking awsome and im guessing its less materal
Jun 16 2008 11:59PM
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Powforbreakfast.
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I'm chill yo, i just think it's really funny.  "cutting off" round tips would detract from the total length of the ski, in which case the ski would in fact be lighter, but it would be shorter and you couldn't make a realistic comparasin.  ;)
Jun 17 2008 1:21AM
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brenker
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sure you do. the only thing that has changed in the ski is the shape of the tips, which, yes, technically makes the ski shorter...but from the base contact points (where the tips meet the body of the skis), the dimensions are exactly the same. It has gotten theoretically shorter, but the only noticable difference would be the weight. It would still function exactly the same as a regular, say, 4frnt msp (an example of a  generic rounded tip twin-tip), but cosmetically would be different. yea..
Jun 17 2008 1:46AM
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St.Steezy
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end thread. They wanted a way to make their skis stand out -> Square tips were the answer.
Jun 17 2008 2:06AM
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Powforbreakfast.
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thanks.
Jun 17 2008 2:35AM
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iluvBread
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i think it's sick and makes moment unique
Jun 17 2008 2:43AM
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Burkski
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its actually easier to do nose grabs with it like that too.
Jun 17 2008 11:51AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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and its fun.

now its over.
Jun 17 2008 1:58PM
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mmckechnie
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Jun 17 2008 3:38PM
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mmckechnie
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http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skishy4.png
Jun 17 2008 3:40PM
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mmckechnie
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more material
Jun 17 2008 3:40PM
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mmckechnie
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[URL=http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skishy4.png]Click for larger image[/URL]
Jun 17 2008 3:44PM
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zackblain
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good for doing wheelies
Jun 17 2008 8:40PM
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-Tristan-
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Its obviously purely for tail grabs, duh.
Jun 17 2008 8:51PM
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OzzyDK
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"Square Tips
– The tips make our skis stand out and add to the overall surface area making it easier to grab. " (From momentskis.com)
Jun 21 2008 4:31PM
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no_steeze
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also for those of you who say the square tips would be heavier, moment skis are light as fuck because of the cores they use, so it's not about the weight but as said above, to stand out, to add more surface area, and for grabs, end discussion
Jun 21 2008 4:43PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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you forgot the fun!
Jun 21 2008 9:08PM
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scott-skis
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cause it looks cool duh
Jun 21 2008 10:01PM
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LC.
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If they measure them tip to tail then you'll have more effective edge on a Moment 180 than a regular 180. Go and think about it if you can't figure out what I mean.
Jun 22 2008 7:35AM
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quebecfreestyler
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And all that time I tought it was to make better pancakes using the skis as spatulas.
Jun 22 2008 8:39AM
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b-kul
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lolz.
Jun 22 2008 10:05AM
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huge-go
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Different tip shapes do different things. You know LINE's early taper? It's to prevent hooking. Whatever, I'm not here to argue about ski tips. I was wondering about moments square ones, and moment themselves say it's so their skis look dope, so thanks to whoever posted that.
Jun 22 2008 2:42PM
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skiRay
Posts: 7558 - Karma: 926
square tips are for when you go lean the skis against a wall, they wont fall to one side...

not really though...
Jun 22 2008 2:54PM
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frstyl46skier
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That jus ended it no need to continue...^
Jun 22 2008 4:15PM
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squibble
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you may be the dumbest kid on ns. it shouldnt even be an argument. rounded tips have less material than square. take a look at a regular SQUARE, if you CUT OFF all the CORNERS it turns into a CIRCLE.
Jun 22 2008 4:36PM
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-Tristan-
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Someone needs to go smoke a joint.
Jun 22 2008 8:38PM
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link80
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All Moment ski measurements are based off of base material length.
Jun 22 2008 11:15PM
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currentwestman
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haha seriously. that drawing goes against what he was saying. the worst part is that he knew they would be different lengths. +karma to you. good explanation
Jun 22 2008 11:36PM
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brenker
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haha no they dont. the tips arent straight up squares.
Jun 23 2008 11:36AM
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denmarkskier
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BUT IF YOU CUT 4 SIDES OFF A CIRCLE, YOU GET A SQUARE DUMBFUCK

Jun 23 2008 12:12PM
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LC.
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Kif, we have a conundrum.
Jun 23 2008 12:35PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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This is arguably the best argument ever on ns.

ever!
Jun 23 2008 12:51PM
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Franny
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Maybe for swing weight too.
Jun 23 2008 4:25PM
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funk.
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hahah that argument was amusing..

so think about this.  Your a dude who decided to make skis for himself.  You show them to your buddies and they're like "Dude you just painted over some rossi's".  And then your like shit.  How do I prove this?  I'll make them look really unique like.. SQUARE TIPS!  Now everyone will believe me.  Well then a few years down the road all of your buddies want your skis.  Then more and more people start hearing about them and wanting them.. then you start selling them.. and then you have a company.. called Moment.. and all the skis have square tips!

Yay for that sick as dude making skis in his shop in Reno Nevada.


Jun 23 2008 4:58PM
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