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MountSunapee
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Give us ideas that you would like to see in the park.  Rail setups, creating better lines, changing transitions, and anything else that might make the park more enjoyable. 
Jun 16 2008 8:39AM
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MountSunapee
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I'll start off by saying there will be no half-pipe this year.  There may be a quarter-pipe in the usual location but the pipe area will turn into rails, jumps, etc. 

Post what you would like to see for next year.  We already have some ideas and have some new rails on the way already.
Jun 16 2008 10:45AM
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ginty
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boxes that you have a alot of options with like a flatdown box like 10 feet flat 20 down with an urban lip on the down would be gnar,
deff do an uprail again next year
more jumps like the last one bedfore the rainbow, that way you dont have to bomb it to just miss casing it

Jun 16 2008 6:44PM
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MountSunapee
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I agree with the uprail.  Are we talkin railjam up rail or the one that was setup under the c-box for most the season?  I guess would you rather have the shorter or longer up rail? 

Now with the pipe gone, we are able to split the two trails into a intermediate and expert, which hopefully will keep the joeys out of the expert side so no one gets snaked and allow us to do some rail gaps.

Also the bottom of the park had to stay at an intermediate level so everyone could use it, but now with the ice taco gone we will use that area for an expert zone hopefully.  We don't know what's going there though but the space allows for either a few kickers or a rail yard.  Personally, I would like to turn that section into a hardcore urban setup with stairs and piles of rails maybe some picnic tables, something you could session if you wanted.  We're just throwing around ideas so if you talk with anyone have them post their ideas.

We are working with some local companies to raise the cash prizes for the comps too.  Hopefully that will work out.


Jun 17 2008 3:36PM
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Gillis1257
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jumps, bigger ones, the big air jump this year was very fun but i understand if thats to hard to maintain all year (props to who ever built that btw)

but a large jump line would be very very nice, with steeper longer landiings, i know our park is flat and not that long to have a killer line but a kid can dream


a barrel jib would be fun to
Jun 18 2008 10:57PM
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MountSunapee
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It would be pretty sick to have a top to bottom jump line.  The problem with making huge jumps like the big air, is there is always someone who tries to hit it, panics at the last second, tries to bail, and injuries themselves.  That's why we had to rope it off unless there was someone who wanted to hit it, that we knew was capable. 

A jump line might be too long top to bottom, but maybe start it where the 50ft rail was this year and continue it to the lift.  We could probably get three good jumps in that spot.

I agree, barrel jib is much needed.  I'm going to put in a request for one of those heavy blue plastic 55gallon drums.  Keep your fingers crossed.
Jun 20 2008 8:31AM
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GNARnia
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well if there was a jump line made correctly where you dont have to haul balls and the jumps start small and increasingly get bigger  then u should be set  

if sunapee gets on their game and makes stuff correctly and with quality and puts as much effort in the entire park as they do on jams then it will be prime

needs wide lips too on the jump and longer landings   

plus urban shit needs to be REAL URBAN  forreal yo
Jun 27 2008 5:53PM
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ginty
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yea what would be perfect is a lip as wide as the big air on a jump the size of the last 2 hits on the side of the rainbow

and robs right urban lips are a necessity, no urban lips on to down stuff where you cant see the rail is super sketchy

the log jib this year was a good idea, but should have been setup so it was vertical
Jun 28 2008 12:51PM
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GNARnia
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well no keep the jumps a fun distance tho like 30-40-50 feet  but use flow in it
like so someone doesnt have to tuck from the top for something, make is so the momemetum is carried from the 30 to the 40 to the 50   thats way less sketchy and alot more fun

rails are set up fine    jus need legit urbans and the rails need to be lengthend  

other than that sunapee is doing a super job on their stuff    

sunapee is getting a better rep for their shit   so lets see a bomb park this season  cuz a good park will def  bring in more money  to the mountain   jus look at waterville and loon   both amazing parks    and mountains too

jus take note on their stuff and try your best to apply it to our stuff  and its alll good
Jun 29 2008 12:58AM
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ginty
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yup, exactly right with the jumps, down rail was much more fun when it was urban but it needs to be more urban

robs right ive watch the place grow since i first learned to ski, just need to see what others moutians are doing and see what their doing right

and i know its a strech but in the future the park should be expanded to elliot, it basically an unused trail, and its right there
Jun 29 2008 11:38PM
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ginty
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word sounds fun
as in 2 20' ft t rails you mean like the lil jibs up top but longer, or like t boxes?
its deff sounding good already
Jul 7 2008 4:10PM
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MountSunapee
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Long t-style.  They aren't like the 2x4 flat rails we had up top.  They look like the rainbow rail we have...only its a 20ft flat instead.
Jul 8 2008 12:20PM
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MountSunapee
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FYI - I'm working with John and Alan (Mtn. Ops) to get some metal out in the park earlier this season.  It'll be a hiker but I know a lot of you were asking for that early last year. 
Aug 7 2008 12:06PM
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ginty
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that would be legit
like if youve only got snow by the quad throw up some jibs like you did 06-07 at least so theres something there
Aug 7 2008 7:41PM
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bobs
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bunch of good ideas  mentioned so far and its dope to see you guys asking for advice

definitely focus on flow,  jumps keep gettin a lil better each year and we have some pretty legit jibs now. The flows usually lacking a lil.    good setup and there's potential forsure 

big plus would be a mellow 30-40 ft, four jump line.  usually there's a 2 jump line on the chair right thats mad far apart. 



the small landingbuiltintothejumpthings on the upper chair left were pretty um silly?  I understand beginner but 5,10,15ft is ok? the two jumps and the few boxes on that  side were too far apart to have a good flow

no half  pipe is pretty sweet and alot of people are stoked on that. It'd be nice to see the qp back in its old spot.  Spring time everyone used to session that.  When its in  the trees, there's no sun, it doesn't soften up, and  no one hits it ya know? plus people lay off the wall in the spring cause  it melts out too much.   maybe move the wall up the hill or somewhere new?







rail gardens are chill but it'd be nice to see stuff setup in a line instead of 3 or 4 across.  the wide rail platforms are sick and everyone likes wide  landings off rails but it'd be dope to get 10-15 jibs in a run instead of 5-10



the up coffin box  to flat landing was kinda silly this year.  coffin box as a down disaster is  ill.  maybe a lil more gap on and a nice landing off and that would definitely be legit



i dont know much about grooming but usually there's massive bomb holes after some of the boxes. Usually its cause the landing doesn't line up with the box.  they're set up so you case the knoll and then the landings every so slightly too far away.  if you move the landings closer i dont think the bombholes would be as killer



we got a bunch of legit jibs now so if they're set up well and friendly there's a bunch of potential






up rail suggestion's legit, they're fun but deffinitely use a longer one if it could be worked into a line

put the s rail up this year?

Stoked for this year. should be dope. every year keeps gettin a lil better



















Sep 8 2008 1:40AM
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MountSunapee
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It's always good to hear from you on what we have nailed down and what we need to fix. 

The s-rail is back in business and got a facelift, and the a-frame that didn't come out last year will make it's appearance.  All the advice you guys have given is awesome so thanks, and keep it coming. 

I totally agree on flow, and I think without the half-pipe it will make it a lot easier to accomplish that especially for a jumpline.

The quarter pipe will be back and hopefully we can either move it to the other side, or bring it further up the hill, maybe next the that last bunch of trees.

We also want to bring in a few small jibs to play on; barrels and such.

What I would like is to get everyone's opinion on the wall ride.  There's a lot of potential if we can position it correctly to allow for an up butterbox.  I just think where it was last year wasn't very useful and I saw more people poping 3's off of the side then I saw people actually hitting it.  We've already got a few really good ideas for it so keep em coming.  Not to mention just talking about it gets my pumped!



Sep 10 2008 10:58AM
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bobs
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The wall ride has potential for sure.  

did you ride okemo at all last year? they had a dope little wallride at the bottom of the rope tow park.  If you built something similar  on a much  larger scale that would be SICK

The wall was mellower so it was easier to slide, stall, and spin. Also the lip went up a full groomer width on both sides to the top of the  coping.  Super easy to carve in and slide across the wall  and made for a smooth tranny.  They had a small snow deck on top like 3-5ft and then a big landing down so you could air off the snow lips on either side or boost off the wall.  Tons of different ways to hit it

kinda looked like this

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Sep 10 2008 11:33AM
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ginty
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that would be a cool idea plus its an unused spot basically and if you put it there it would soften up better to be hit
Sep 10 2008 2:52PM
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ginty
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heres what bobby was talkin bout
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other things u could do with what you have
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all taken from okemo and it can be done with stuff we already have easily , like the tree jib is a joke to build all you do i build snow up to it and cut off the limbs around it and there you go you have a tree jib
at least it gives you variety

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Sep 10 2008 9:26PM
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ginty
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basically have all the features possible out there with gettin to cramped but dont just replace the mailbox with some shitty spine to be honest the mailbox is much more fun than the spine i think we could do so much cooler stuff with that snow rather than build a mile long spine like last year
Sep 10 2008 9:29PM
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Gillis1257
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its just all about how you set the feature up, like last year, were you put the tire? that lip got so icey and it was so steap. we just need to take the extrem down a little on features like that, makes it alot lessy frightning
Sep 10 2008 9:49PM
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MountSunapee
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I never got a chance to get to Okemo, 6 days a week here pretty much means I don't get out much.  I love that idea of the wallride set in the jump and we def. need to do that this year and I think it will fly because it give the option of how you want to hit it.  WE could move the tire and put it on one of the sides too.

Yeah the mailbox will probably remain the same and I think the tree spine needs to go.  I'd like to stick it in the ground and make it an up so you could launch off it with a transition on the other side.



I gotta get john in on this convo.




Sep 11 2008 10:22AM
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mmckechnie
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more table tops, maybe some gaps, maybe a tree or log jib
Sep 16 2008 1:47AM
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bobs
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do we still have the old trap rail that was a stupid steep short up, medium flat, long down?  If we still have that jibit'd be SICK to cut/ weld off  the  up and  set it up as a flat down rail.  I'd make a quality flat down somethin we're lacking right now.

also i was readin through.  I understand blocking off the step down this year but big jumps are nice and should be open when possible.  Step over style tables are a good way to make lofty big jumps that aren't too scary.  Also, step overs allow for a longer steeper landings

Sunapee's jump lips need to be wider. the first hit  top left this year  had a good lip.  When possible its nice to have the lip 2+ groomer widths wide

Although the first hit top left had a dope lip this year, it was further up the hill than usual.   snow and speed was an issue.  I mean you could always pump the rollers, but i'd rather butter and jib the rollers and then casually cruise into the first hit. 

  Just an idea but it'd be sick to see the first hit as a 25ft hip like table.  Keep the landing facing downhill but have the lip kinda crooked and lined up with the rollers.  You wouldn't loose as much speed carving into the lip plus it'd add a lil variety to the jumps



oh and keep the rollers they're fun
Sep 22 2008 5:54PM
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ginty
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word killy had somthing like that early season with the hip-ish table, and the inrun didnt require much speed but with the landing set up nicely it gave you speed for the next hit.

And i think i the short up on the trap with semi long flat/ long down is what i sent u a pic of and hopefully you'll find out where it is b/c it would be a sick rail to have.
Sep 22 2008 7:22PM
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Gillis1257
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i totally agree with the addition of more lip-ige, if i had one issue abou the jumps it was i felt like i was hauling ass into a super long hit, and not getting any loft. meaning there was more out than up, and in most cases i think we need jump we can get some height off of.

steeper in runs + more lip + steep and wider landings = a good fun time


i would rather have two mega poppy hits when 5 jumps that bummed me out
Sep 22 2008 8:43PM
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peacecoastskier
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i agree with the tree jib and tire jib completely. one thought tho. its always sick when its a steepish lip up to the tire (steeper then okemos) it'll let people who are able to things like hand drags stalls and spin a bit bigger. and another thought is a butter brick. waterville had one late last year and it was awesome. fun for the hardcore park rats and a good way for noobs to get used to smallish gaps
Sep 23 2008 1:43AM
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MountSunapee
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too bad it won't fly.  We're in a  NH state park so the hippies will protest that we are damaging the environment.... 
Oct 11 2008 11:30PM
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ginty
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wait protest what?
Oct 12 2008 12:06AM
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MountSunapee
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I was talking about the tree jib.  Using a live tree might cause some controversy.  I was half being serious and half not.
Oct 15 2008 1:51PM
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bobs
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gondola in 3rd lot = jib potential
Oct 20 2008 1:59AM
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MountSunapee
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Yeah that thing is like the holy grail to some of the long time employees here.  It was one of the original gondolas that was used on north peak.

I found that out when I asked someone about using it for a jib.  The guy grabbed his heart and almost died.  so yeah, that's a no go....


Oct 20 2008 2:05PM
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ginty
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^ bummer... have we gotten the approval for a jib park on opening day... i mean come on mt snow has one open and its october 20th
Oct 20 2008 2:59PM
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bobs
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who keeps a holy grail stashed with a bunch of trash behind a building in the 3rd lot thats just silly
Oct 20 2008 3:12PM
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MountSunapee
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you make a good point there...touche!

I haven't been able to finalize an opening day jib park, I'm working on it though. 

Also, we have solved the tree jib issue so we should have one this year, hopefully it works out well.
Oct 22 2008 8:44AM
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ginty
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tree jib sounds fun anymore tricks up your sleeves?

approval for opening day jibs?

Oct 28 2008 9:18PM
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MountSunapee
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Yeah I'm pushing for opening day jibberish but no straight answer yet.  This weekend a few of us are painting the rails so we'll discuss it then and I'll let you know what I find out.

Nov 13 2008 2:56PM
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mmckechnie
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are the rails/boxes going to be blue again?
Nov 13 2008 10:38PM
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ginty
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that would be my guess

one other thing

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So we are going to have a tree jib this year. It'll stick out about 6 vertical feet from the take off so there should be plenty of options either tapping it or hand plants...whatever.

Nov 14 2008 5:16PM
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bobs
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have you guys thought about cutting off the metal piece sticking up on the rainbow? at the end there's a piece of sheet metal that sticks up higher than the box. Its hacked up so you can tell it gets in the way

It broke like 4 inches of of edge and ripped the core out of my ski out last year. The rainbows a dope feature but its funny that everyone knows you need to pop off early to avoid the end.
Nov 15 2008 1:22PM
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dubage
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put a money booter on skiiers right where the snail box was set up for most of last year, that's a nice pitch for a drop in to get speed, and you could follow it up with another jump, and perhaps another, that would be baller. I dont know about rails, i feel like there are enough of them to make the park flow well on skiiers left. also make some kind of area for the casual family to funnel into... or we could just have park passes

anybody down with park passes?
Nov 16 2008 12:53PM
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ginty
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park passes really wouldnt bother me
or maybe just put a sign up on the "XL side" that just says park passes required, it would probably deter some people
Nov 16 2008 12:58PM
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bobs
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word up to what wes said. Wawa is loaded with gapers and they have a park pass for the big park. Definitely makes it a more enjoyable place to ride.

Back in the day when the two big jumps were on the right it was probably the easiest its every been to get speed. a Big 3 jump line on the upper left would be sick and a rail line down the left side would be sweet as well
Nov 16 2008 3:12PM
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ginty
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skiiers left?
like when you look up the hill on the right?
an i agree we NEED a jump line
wider lips and steeper landings too. Bobbys right too the "big air" jump from 2 years ago was awesome do more double jumps like that this year!
Nov 23 2008 3:52PM
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bobs
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skiers right. top of the park
Nov 23 2008 7:41PM
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Gillis1257
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i think the least you can do is have one really lofty 40 footer, nice poppy lip, nice ling steep landing. i think nicer lips is what we need to work on, ones that will just launch you.

then a big step up. i miss our step up.

so just a nice lofty 40 to a big step up is the least you could do

and i loved the big air this year. its helpful to have such big jumps like that, so when we go to other mountains dont shit our selves when all the jumps are that big

Nov 23 2008 8:22PM
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ginty
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here solve the space and steepness problem.... put a slopestyle course on elliot... DUH its the most unused trail in NH
Nov 23 2008 8:59PM
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MountSunapee
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john and I were able to get some riding in on friday and the plan is to put the big air at the bottom on skiers left.  before that, will be tiers of jumps, a double jump with a 35 and 45 or something like that will be in the central area.  skiers right will have a lot of the rails.  so one side is jumps and the other will be rails.  each will have elements of both like we may setup the double kink on the left right at the top as a permanent feature if you guys dig it. the right will have a few poppers. The s-rail isn't decide het, what do you think for a location?

thats the general idea this year, johns been busy making snow. they were blasting infront ofthe hq last night and shut off the guns around 9am.  We got a good couple inches at the base tonight. 

anyone been out yet? 
Nov 30 2008 8:37PM
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mmckechnie
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Haven't been to sunapee yet this season.  Will be there the 13th or 14th as my first day there.  It sucks being so far away from the mountains as I'm in college in Syracuse (SU).  Can't wait to ski mt sunapee, any idea if there will be stuff by the 13th?

I love elliot slope.  No one skis it, which makes it amazing on a pow day, fresh tracks all day long.
Nov 30 2008 11:45PM
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ginty
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it all sounds good just make i would make the beginner jumps some tables like a 10 then 15 ft'er none of those silly 5 footers like the second jump on the right side when heading up the lift should be the smallest. and if you do a small like 5ft'r again dont waste so much space with it maybe put it on that little knowl before where the battlebox was.
the S rail should prob be like right in the middle somewhere would be the best bet since it need to be somwhere pretty flat
the C box would be sweet if you could hit it from both sides like i remember it was a long time ago
um deff bring back the mail box and just keep the park chock full'o features.
I know you guys are gonna really step it up this year and do some real sweet things

the Ns'ers rails should be sweet too.
Maybe you guys should have a photoshoot like the did a few years back and make a sweet setup.

I'd really love to ride this weekend but it really all depends on if some features will be up. Since i would be coming all the way from CT.
 Im sure you guys will be able to pull it off with snowmaking temps at night later in the week

Im soooo stoked especially after a solid weekend at killy which had a sick park

they had a sweet cannon rail kinda similar to the up rail from the rail jam except it was much wider
it would be sweet if you guys did somthing like they had with a sweet up rail sharing a landing with a jump. it would save room and waste less snow
heres what killy did they had the jump to the left
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Dec 1 2008 3:09PM
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MountSunapee
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That's pretty sweet, I'll mention it to the park crew.  We lugged all the metal up the hill a few days ago and snowmaking has been good te past few days.  It's looking like this weekend we won't have anything setup, which is pretty lame, but the snowmaking temps earlier this week just weren't low enough to really throw some snow.  Last night we maxed out the system so we've had a few good das and nights of snowmaking.  It's looking like the 13 and 14 we'll have something in the park to session.  If base temps stay low at night we are going to focus on the North and Spruce peaks.  I'll keep you posted through the week.
Dec 6 2008 7:11AM
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