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JuliusJ
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a few years ago, i saw a snowboard teaser which included double corks in and out of the backcountry, many gnarly rails and jibs that i deemed close to impossible for skiers, as well as a generally better tricks. however, with all the massive updates, the new atomic movie trailer, rage trailer, as well as pbp trailer, i felt that skiers have caught up to some degree-tanner's wall jib 900? nuts-cosco's double cork 1260 in the backcountry? off the hook! there are other things that have caught my eye but i think that skiers have kinda "caught up" to snowboarders.
Jun 10 2008 10:30PM
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sirskizalot
Posts: 4370 - Karma: 161
soon skiing will have passed snowboarding for sure
Jun 10 2008 11:32PM
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EL_FINRE
Posts: 2486 - Karma: 52
there is still much to discover with skiing
Jun 10 2008 11:34PM
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Austin.
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are you kidding, what does snowboarding have that we don't besides popularity
Jun 11 2008 12:11AM
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TWoods
Posts: 10014 - Karma: 8,386
we aren't way over the level of snowboarding, we haven't even caught up yet, but saying we haven't "got shit" on snowboarding is an exaggeration.
Jun 11 2008 12:33AM
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[Rush_Dangers]
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that should be a good thing to everyone/   imagine if skiings popularity goes the way snowboardings did years back,.....(shutter),


thats part of the reason i love skiing,     cause everyone else snowboards.
Jun 11 2008 12:40AM
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Skiing_Is_Fun
Posts: 1463 - Karma: 91
skiing gave birth to snowboarding.
Jun 11 2008 12:43AM
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freezed
Posts: 12973 - Karma: 500
skiing with an "agenda" sounds weird
Jun 11 2008 1:04AM
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EL_FINRE
Posts: 2486 - Karma: 52
^^weezy is the best rapper alive
Jun 11 2008 1:04AM
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JeffersonDavis
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its all about taking your jibbing skills in the park and applying it to your all mtn excursions. Tree taps, jibbing bamboo poles to 180 out, butterin off catracks, hand plants off cattracks, buttering off walls on cattracks, stalling on rocks, hand drag 360's off natural drops.

The only thing i think snowboarding has on us is the ability to be creative with natural features on your average ski hill. The latter part of this season at steamboat, i spent most of my time riding with snowboarders who were doing all that shit and in part helped influence my skiing to where I'm not concerned about being tech in the air or on rails, rather I'm more concerned about how can i express my own personal style and essence on these natural features that nature or the resort has inadvertantly placed for our jibbing disposal.
Jun 11 2008 1:05AM
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EL_FINRE
Posts: 2486 - Karma: 52
didnt mean to quote eastcoastjibber
Jun 11 2008 1:07AM
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[Rush_Dangers]
Posts: 293 - Karma: 7
^^  well put

Jun 11 2008 1:09AM
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snowboardersrule
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na, cuz if that was case, snowboarding would suck like skiing.

HEYOH!! i got you good, fucker!
Jun 11 2008 1:35AM
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constpapa
Posts: 835 - Karma: 327
I think we've already past snowboarding in terms of technical and steezy tricks.

Jun 11 2008 1:50AM
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Tinga
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why do we need to be in competition with snowboarding? pretty sure we have learned a lot from them and they are starting to learn some things from us. it doesnt have to be a competition. it should be more of a partnership. i mean sure some snowboarding kids are fags but there are a lot of skiers that are fags as well. ski with a boarder and learn something new and try to teach them something new. go have fun on that white stuff that falls fromt he sky when it is cold.
Jun 11 2008 2:16AM
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Literature
Posts: 13673 - Karma: 3,085
You can't make people change, and you can't force them to create their own style.

It is naive to suggest that because anyone in an internet forum tells them to, anyone will change their riding style or what they enjoy doing.

Being creative is just one aspect of skiing. There will always be room for copying whatever everyone else or your favorite pro is doing, and there are many people that will always be in this mode. If that is what fun is for you in skiing, then please, carry on.

Having not done a whole lot of hand plants/drags before, I had quite a bit of fun doing them this year. Anyone is free to hate on what I did, they didn't look the prettiest, and they certainly weren't unique. But I had fun doing them all the same, which to me, is all that really matters in skiing.

Nothing good will come of this sort of "People need to wake up and get creative" debate. Just go ski, and forget about the silly shit.
Jun 11 2008 2:16AM
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bret
Posts: 2848 - Karma: 839
dude you sound pretentious. realize that skiing has grown to the point where we can have niches. there are a lot of boxes, and you're in one just as much as anyone else. why else do you think people can put you in a box so easily? because you're in the "no poles, roller style, line skis and copy andy parry box." if you really want to claim creativity, stop copying things you saw in rolling and think up something truly new.
Jun 11 2008 9:45PM
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bret
Posts: 2848 - Karma: 839
or don't, i don't really care. all i'm saying is that you should stop claiming to be one of the few creative skiers when you are just as influenced, just as much in a (admittedly smaller) box as everyone else.
Jun 11 2008 9:47PM
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oiECSoi
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honestly i dont think skiing is quite there yet, plus there is alot more possibiliites on a snowboard, and people have been getting wayyyy creative. check out some trailers and snip bits from "thanks Brain" from think thank on youtube, you will see what im talking about
Jun 11 2008 10:28PM
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shortdawg
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Freeskiing is an evolving sport, who knows what people will uncover.
Jun 11 2008 10:31PM
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sktrkdo7
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gotta say the ceiling for skiing is much lower than boarding and a 1000 times lower than skateboarding for the sole fact that we have two planks and they are connected to our feet unlike a skateboard. But it will be very interesting to see the direction our sport goes in because its gonna be pretty hard to go bigger or spin faster than the top pros are right now
Jun 11 2008 10:45PM
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skiEER
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as long as people are having fun who who cares if their trick is not original.  I ski to have fun and assume you do the same and trying to be creative may be fun more you and 630s off may be fun for somebody else.
Jun 11 2008 10:46PM
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EL_FINRE
Posts: 2486 - Karma: 52
true but snowboarding kind of gave birth to freestyle skiing too, just my 2 cents
Jun 11 2008 11:00PM
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i.ski.troll.
Posts: 4692 - Karma: 247
thank you tinga
very well put
Jun 11 2008 11:37PM
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860
Posts: 2930 - Karma: 166
I agree with mostly all your points. Once skiers get out of their 450's all 18 ways then they might consider your opinion, but until then they'll just shoot it down. Your ahead of them though, in thought progression anyway. you'll be the way skiing hopefully goes, maybe not too much rollerblade sliding, but enough to switch something up. Maybe once people actually start throwing presses they will realize what your talking about.
Jun 12 2008 12:01AM
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jason...
Posts: 9006 - Karma: 780
this is how i feel, but skiing is making a comeback
Jun 12 2008 12:37AM
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Jeff_Lo
Posts: 5809 - Karma: 263
yup your right, everyone films the same style(dolly's and cranes) (same editing) (hand drags to the max, with atleast 10 in every trailer)
Jun 12 2008 12:41AM
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spliff.Life
Posts: 7847 - Karma: 1,549
^agreed
Jun 12 2008 2:18AM
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bret
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alright i guess i must have "misinterpreted." it sounded like you were speaking from a pedestal telling folks to be creative. maybe i missed it.

but it does sound like we're saying relatively similar things. the difference is that you're telling people to look outside the box, while i'm saying that those alternative niches you're speaking of have already become boxes in themselves, and you're in one just as much as anyone else. i can't tell you how many people i've seen rocking around on hellbents no poles wearing sessions gear just buttering and pressing and such, or how many folks i've seen roller grinding with lines and no poles and all that jazz. it seems like we're not generating independent thought like you talk about, but more and more segregated boxes of closeminded style in and of themselves. not that i necessarily think it's a bad thing. but i was just trying to say that you should realize that as we get more and more niches, we get more segregated groups of people all pushing their own "cookie cutter" style relative to that group. so before you start telling folks to get creative, realize that your style is as much a product of your niche as anyone else's.

that is all. maybe i was misinterpreted also.
Jun 12 2008 2:46AM
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JonathonChandler
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your all wrong...




soy el mejor persona del mondo
Jul 5 2008 2:31PM
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C-Burg
Posts: 4729 - Karma: 130

can't we all just go out and enjoy the mountains instead of worring about who is where and that shit

Jul 5 2008 2:46PM
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jimmer
Posts: 3586 - Karma: 80
i agree with asian allen. snowboarding is a bit ahead of skiing. i realized this when i was watching a snowboard movie with my friend the other day and i just realized, "shit, why can't skiers be this creative?" snowboarding has so many different styles and shit, and most park skiers are very similar. pretzels, spins, and whatnot. we need to branch out more, do new stuff. rollerblade grinds anyone?



and snowboarders do sicker urban.


Jul 5 2008 3:06PM
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PBraunstein
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at the beginning of this post, i really felt as though you were being a douche... but your last two posts have made me retract my previous feelings... i realize now that your just stuck in some 300 vert shit hole of a ski resort, but hopefully will one day move out west... (i grew up in jersey, skiing a 600 vert shithole [mt creek represent!!] and as soon as i could, i moved out to utah, dropped out of school, and have now managed to become a ski bum skiing as much as i possibly can.... now back to the actually post.... i feel like your opinion may be slightly skewed... you dont get to ski pow, huge jumps, slay cliffs; all of which i have been blessed with by moving here.  I feel like us as skiers are pulling even with snowboarding (in a broader aspect then just rails and jibs) and will soon be surpassing them.. projects like hunting yeti and the massive are changing our sport for the good and for the long run i feel... im so stoked to be a skier in 10 years... i mean even with something as simple as introducing a rockered ski, which im assuming you havent had the fun to play with, but i had about 60 days on my ep pros this year and about 40 of them were in amazing powder... and i cant tell you how much more "progressive" i feel with those skis on, they really truly change the way i ski.   i feel like our sport is headed in the right direction, but i feel that kids like you, that think on your mind-track, are the one who will change the sport for the better.. all im saying is move out west as soon as you can and take that creativity to the big mtn...



sorry for this ridiculous post... and for those of you wondering... no homo
Jul 5 2008 3:28PM
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East.
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I don't really see why the argument is to diverge from our normal skiing. I really don't see why we need to have any competition with snowboarding at all. And why should we need to make skiing into anything more progressive than its been so far? If you haven't noticed, the most outstanding progression that's been made is style. Compare a majority of the pros from early 2000's to some of the new up and comers like sammy, wallisch, schiller, and such. You'll see a huge difference. At this point theres no need to copy snowboarding and try and do tricks in playgrounds or do wallrides everywhere, because thats not setting us apart in any way at all. Everyone says we need to "think outside the box" but honestly, we aren't constricted in any way to a box.  I respect all of you who do rollerblade grinds and such, but thats not thinking outside the "box." I'm pretty tired of everyone getting flustered because everyone is doing the same thing, but what the hell do you expect. Not everyone is going to be so liberal and approach skiing in an artsy sort of way. You ask anyone about their "signature tricks" and how they're different than everyone else, but honestly, how can anyone's trick be different? If you were expecting a response that somehow entailed the rider had a trick that no one else has ever done in such a way, you're expecting way too much. I do agree that numerous tricks (kangflips and such) are very well played out, but hating on such people doing them is not the answer. If anything, the standard of skiing is slowly rising higher and higher, and I don't see any reason to change what we're doing.
Jul 5 2008 3:51PM
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Kevski
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I completely agree with asian allen. The mainstream park rat idea seems to be about how many spins off and on rails people can do. I really like to see skiing when it is all creative and not normal. Sure, that's a personal opinion, but I really do think that is something holding skiing back. That is why I find watching snowboarders more appealing, except for skiing like Hunting Yeti or Believe or Idea, etc. If I really want to see something that makes me go "Holy shit that's extreme and so hard to do" I watch mountain biking. I really think that skiing on average will drift this way, but maybe not. I just personally like being creative with the mountain more than clone copied tricks in the park.
Jul 5 2008 4:08PM
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