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NEW Karma system!

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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
Hah well its not exactly new, but we took all your suggestions and are going to try something new with roughly the same formula.

However, its going to drastically change the amount of karma you have... the 1-100 thing really just seemed to put everyone around 50. Paul teamed up with a team of statistical mathematicians from MIT to figure out a new way to tweak the formula that calculates it...

Don't be surprised all of a sudden when your karma jumps anywhere from 5,000 to a couple million points. Now, its going to fluctuate a hell of a lot more, change instantly as you rate someone up or down, and still be based on a whole bunch of metrics from around the site.

So far it looks pretty good, but we'll just have to see what happenes when its released.

Should be later today or tomorrow, so don't be surprised when you see it!

May 6 2008 7:24AM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
yeah!! Nice one guys.
May 6 2008 8:16AM
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skijunkiedtm
Posts: 9229 - Karma: 61
yay and now maybe people will use it!
May 6 2008 9:07AM
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mntelebumper
Posts: 1287 - Karma: 10
cool beans, this is gonna freak a lot of people out that dont read site discussion.
May 6 2008 9:21AM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
Heh yeah it sure is! Its cool too Paul made a "Top 100 members" list too, so we can all see who ranks where!

May 6 2008 9:23AM
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messplay
Posts: 4483 - Karma: 1,066
sweet
May 6 2008 10:06AM
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SirFryanator
Posts: 11149 - Karma: 1,415
very cool. sticky?
May 6 2008 10:10AM
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Dustin.
Posts: 13839 - Karma: 7,704
So it won't be on the 1-100 scale anymore?  Interesting.
May 6 2008 11:38AM
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Quinny
Posts: 3477 - Karma: 163
Sick-wicked, I'm curious to see how it works out!
May 6 2008 12:30PM
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Alex_thedroog
Posts: 3433 - Karma: 2
woo!!

I hope it finally works
May 6 2008 12:55PM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
Lol... yeah we do too. :)

May 6 2008 1:06PM
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Tinga
Posts: 11349 - Karma: 2,333
sounds great im glad you guys keep working on the site my only gripe with it would be with numbers so high like you said and it not based on a 1-100 number is that we're going to see say a 1,000 and think holy shit thats really high but then later we're going to see like a 10,000 and we're just not going to be able to see the numbers that really matter.
May 6 2008 1:29PM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
Heh... the numbers are actually higher than that. I have over nine million karma. :)

We might have to normalise them a bit, but we'll try this out and see what happens. The system is good, we just need to figure out how to get thenumbers displaying correctly.

May 6 2008 1:45PM
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Ryno
Posts: 31125 - Karma: 336
MIT...lol...score

Please explain the sense of scale when you implement it so people can grasp how it works.
May 6 2008 2:07PM
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.KYLE.
Posts: 1891 - Karma: 59
SickTar
May 6 2008 2:19PM
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Itsbackfliptime
Posts: 18901 - Karma: 75
sounds good. I've always hated the way the karma was implemented.
May 6 2008 3:15PM
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Ryno
Posts: 31125 - Karma: 336
ditto
May 6 2008 3:26PM
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Jwenz
Posts: 8893 - Karma: 7,633
I am forseeing a significant amount of bitching and comments:
"why am I not top 100, and he is GAWD!"
"FUCK Karma, I am the best member. DUH"

Oh it will be funny
May 6 2008 3:32PM
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a.j.
Posts: 64 - Karma: 10
1-1000000 wow
May 6 2008 3:50PM
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BootySpunk.
Posts: 8148 - Karma: 84
Bishop you will always be a 10million in my heart :]
May 6 2008 4:22PM
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jcaron
Posts: 172 - Karma: 178
I heard some rumors that Doug has an astronomical Karma and Yauch is pretty much rock bottom.
May 6 2008 10:05PM
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StanMcStanson
Posts: 2773 - Karma: 11
Isn't Yauch gone now? And good job on a sick new system, the old one didn't work very well.
May 6 2008 10:06PM
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Piste.Off
Posts: 11586 - Karma: 1,860
woot! hopefully more people use it now and it helps a lot!
May 7 2008 12:16AM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
haha so true
May 7 2008 1:04AM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
True, but bitching will only result in neg. karma which will have an even worse impact!
May 7 2008 5:54AM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
We'll get more of a sense of the scale when we see it fluctuate. The whole thing now is that member-member ratings "Karma Xchange" is going to affect things much more. Its still going to be based on all of your actions as a newschoolers member, but the way the xchange is calculated is different. As well, before we normalized each of the scores by making them out of 100 and essentially put it on a bell curve. Problem is that there's so many accounts that don't do all that much, everybody was around 50.

So now, we just removed the limiter, and are using the raw points that you score plus changed up the formula. And it calculates on the fly, so you'll see how much you affect someone's karma right as you adjust it. The overall list will only be generated once per night (else it would overload the server) but you'll see what you've done.

We'll see... basically we're just trying to do something difficult which is create an automated system that ranks how "good" a member is. Tough thing to do!

If this one doesn't work we'll go back to the drawing board, but I think this round might be successful.

May 7 2008 7:03AM
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sirskizalot
Posts: 4370 - Karma: 161
sounds kool to me
May 7 2008 11:02AM
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shibby
Posts: 7088 - Karma: -19
What's karma?
May 7 2008 12:38PM
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Alex_thedroog
Posts: 3433 - Karma: 2
My exact thoughts..I dont really want to start over
May 7 2008 12:55PM
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yelsel
Posts: 12967 - Karma: 3,451
I think we're starting over from scratch, at least it looks like that. Everyone is at 0 right now.
May 7 2008 1:20PM
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yelsel
Posts: 12967 - Karma: 3,451
I think we're starting over from scratch, at least it looks like that. Everyone is at 0 right now.
May 7 2008 1:22PM
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snwbrdmilf
Posts: 22441 - Karma: 2,805
Not anymore!
May 7 2008 1:27PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
so now we need a scale to see where we all sit..
May 7 2008 1:42PM
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Holte
Posts: 10740 - Karma: 7,814
I like it. Seems a little chaotic, but I like it. Instant feedback.
May 7 2008 1:45PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
so i just rated a member up and as i increased their karma, their displayed karma dropped until i got to 8
May 7 2008 1:55PM
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pho[tog]rapher
Posts: 2618 - Karma: 494
Yeaaaaaaaah definitely thought all these finals had been getting to me when I saw a 5-digit karma rating. Sick revision though, it's good to see a direct response to the karma I give or take away from someone. Yayyy good work. karma for you guys!
May 7 2008 1:57PM
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TerminatorX
Posts: 3087 - Karma: 169
you know its working when yauch's karma is only at 529 and everyone else's is at least 1000.

it would also be pretty funny if you made a shame list with the site's top 100 jackasses
May 7 2008 2:16PM
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killabees
Posts: 8558 - Karma: 494
good and whats bad?
May 7 2008 2:24PM
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skodeo7
Posts: 14949 - Karma: 9,234
Nice work Doug, Paul and MIT heads ha. Interesting. I was like "WTF??!?!?! I better check site discussion"
May 7 2008 2:24PM
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Ryanvdonk
Posts: 12811 - Karma: 1,971
these numbers are just too ridiculous. im not a fan at all, maybe putting it out of 1000 would have been better than 100, but this is just too much.
May 7 2008 2:33PM
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ajax
Posts: 2852 - Karma: 1,245
It's kinda cool to see it change when you rate someone.
May 7 2008 2:38PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
i have a suggestion to make the extreme numbers less extreme. base everyones karma off the highest ranked member and have it show as a percentage and a number. obviously the highest rated would be a 100 but say an average nser would be 50. i know it would be alot like the old system but i think it would work better since it would still be constantly changing. plus the percentage would actually mean something. say if your karma is a 42%, you still have higher karma than 42% of the users. i dont know how inactive accounts would affect this though..
May 7 2008 2:40PM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
EXACTLY the way it worked before sadly...

May 7 2008 2:50PM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
https://newschoolers.com/web/members/members

^^On the members page you can see the top 100 karmic members.

May 7 2008 2:51PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
so were there just to many members for it to work effectively? and why were there so many people in the 45-55 range and no one below 45?
May 7 2008 2:53PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
what does xchange mean? and will the list ever be expanded to see where all the members rank?
May 7 2008 2:54PM
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TerminatorX
Posts: 3087 - Karma: 169
that would be sick
May 7 2008 2:56PM
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yelsel
Posts: 12967 - Karma: 3,451
Wow thats pretty fuckin cool. Thank you again  Bishop and crew!!!!
May 7 2008 3:00PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
never mind i reread the thread
May 7 2008 3:00PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
i noticed jibtechs xchange was 3 yet he is still on the top 100 so im guessing the karma still has other heavy weights other than just the xchange
May 7 2008 3:03PM
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