I have a pair of Armada ARV's drilled once at the Rec. spot for Rossi 120 binders i think its 3 or 4 back from center. I bought them this jan. The bases are in great shape. The edges are in real good shape no cracks or anything. The top sheets have the usual chips and what not. looking for 200 for em. Or some nice binders IE (Jesters)