Since posting alarming youtube videos seems to be the trend in nsg...

they're probably instructed to go with it, it's a not for profit organization so you have to assume that they need every donation they can get, no matter what the means of donation is.

it disgusts me to think how the left wing is so quick to point out something as harmless such as privatizing areas of military production and then be ok with this! How can you sit there and justify the underlying fundamental ideology of these people?

who cares? Just because thats his motive doesn't mean its not helping people

first of all abortion is far from helping people.

second of all its not just his motive that i have a problem with. Its the fact that planned parenting is willing to do anything to get money and they have no morals or standards. If you can get angry with big business getting money anyway they can, you should damn well be even more upset by this.

yeah it definitely  doesnt help people who cant afford to have a child.

If you cant afford the time, dont do the crime.......




fucking minorities

i really hope your joking cause you dont know the half of living in poverty.

You don't think the Church is willing to do anything for cash? They sell some crazy about some dude rising from the dead in three days, people buy that madness  and donate. They promise you will go to some lovely place in the sky if you die following their word. The Church has killed thousands through its crusades, and forcefully converted other thousands, yet people still donate. How is that any worse than what Planned Parenthood does?

Your argument comparing big business to Planned Parenthood is insane. Planned Parenthood is NON FOR PROFIT, which means, they take all the money they get to help people. Sure they still pay the salary of the people who work there, but most of the money goes straight to helping people. The government grants they receive will not cover everything, so just like any other non for organization, they have to take money from wherever they can get it.

who said anything about church? Did i say anything about church? Don't drag the history of catholocism into a clear and blatant atrocity.

Either way your argument is completely and utterly incompatible. First of all people donate to the church because they believe in the cause. If someone wants to donate to the church for something that is completely immoral, say today inthe 21st century, some whacko asks if he can donate specifically to the eradication of jews, the church would deny the donation immediately. In fact that whacko would probably be excommunicated. Conversely take a look at Planned Parenthood. They are willing to take money no matter what the cause. They will allow people to make donations in the name of purposely and specifically eradicating black people.

For something thats lacking in morals as much as abortion is, you'd think they would at the least be selective and non racist in their execution (ignore the pun) of their job. If someone wants to make a donation and name it after themselves in the cause for extinguishing black people, Planned Parenthood should either deny outright the donation, or at least deny the right for the donation to be claimed for the specific cause.

My problem with Planned Parenthood isn't so much their desperation for donations but more so their willingness to apply the donations towards specifically a minority group especially when the donator is clearly racist and has malintent.

And ok i can concede that my analogy to big business is a bit of a stretch. But how about everyone's problem with defense spending? They try to get as much money as possible in order to fund a cause that is questionable and the ethical process by which they collect said funds is highly questionable as well. Everyone is quick to blame the government for mispractices in spending but when something like planned parenthood does something like this, all you liberal leftwing fuckheads seriously try to justify it?

So just because priests fuck kids and people still donate regardless of that means that money won't go to hide and protect those priests? Just by donating to the Church the person is supporting its actions. You don't need to explicitly say you are donating because you want more priests to fuck kids, thats crazy. You know what is worse though? Ignoring it, allowing it to be perpetuated by donating even more money to the Church.

Of course they would say over the phone that they would impliment their crazy requests. But you know what? It is completely illegal to do that, PP could simply not do it and say it is not a breach of contract, because it is illegal to do in the first place.

Defense spending is a different matter entirely. PP is not being dishonest about where the money is going, the Defense Department is. They give contracts to companies like Haliburton who grossly overcharge them for goods and services(Which has been extensively documented). Troops always complain about the lack of protection or support they get, just last week the Defense Secretary was complaining about how impossible it is to get any air support from the Air force in Iraq. With the billions of dollars spent on the war, every solider should be completely protected and prepared to fight. Unlike PP which is nationwide, easy to get a hold of, and relatively cheap.  PP is a completely successful and proficient organization who have used their money wisely. The Defense Department wastes time and money while people die.

You can't let a few bad priests generalize the cause of donating to the church. just cause a few priests out of hundreds of thousands fuck kids doesn't mean all of them are and it certainly doesn't mean that if i were to donate to the church that i am donating so that priests can fuck kids. That would just be a gross misunderstanding and circular logic. And also how are people ignoring the priests in anyway whatsoever? There seems to be quite an alert hunt for bad priests. And seeing as how the church itself obviously does not support priests fucking kids, my donating to a church would certainly not support that cause.

Church aside, your argument once again is totally irrelevant. Its one thing to donate with good intentions then have one bad person in a largely good institution do bad with the donated money. Its an entirely different situation when a person with clearly bad intentions wants to donate money for a specifically racist cause and the institution not only allows it to happen, but is willingly accepting and actually ENCOURAGING such behavior.

And you know what? You have no fucking idea what you're talking about because it isn't completely illegal for PP to allocate a donation specifically to a minority group. When you donate, you don't have to donate equally. Like if i were to donate to the NAACP, they're not going to make me also make a donation to Norfolk Country Club... And if PP simply didn't do it, it is a breach of contract because they agreed to it in the first place. If it were illegal, PP said ok we'll accept your money, and then didn't carry out with the donators request, they would have to return the money in the first place. The fact of the matter is, its not illegal and PP, if they accept the money, must use it in the donator's interest.

There is a huge difference between killing defenseless babies and using money wisely to protect troops. Advanced body armor, advanced weaponry, and communications are extremely time consuming and expensive things to roll off the assembly line- simply sticking a stick up a vagina and swirling it around is not. PP is successful because it is significantly easier to kill a defenseless baby than it is to stop a 7.62x39 bullet fired from an ak47 at a muzzle velocity of 1200 feet per second. And Robert Gates wasn't complaining about how the Air Force isn't supporting the troops, he was asking for more Air Force presence rather than more ground presence.

I still can't believe how anyone can justify this. You know deep down that this is wrong and you should admit it rather than blindly supporting what you know is a devious act on planned parenthood's part. And just for the record, government money going to planned parenthood is ordered NOT to be spent on abortions; the 300 million dollars a year going to planned parenthood is to be only spent on safer sex education.

seeing you this fired up makes me want to bang you like a hammer

What happened when the scandal first happened? There was widespread reports of them just transferring priests to another parish and keeping things under wraps instead of facing it straight up and putting these kid fuckers on trial. Where do you think they received all that money to protect the priests? I'll give you a hint, Jesus doesn't have a bank account.

How is my logic with the Church askew? So far you tried to compare PP to the Defense Deparmant and big buisness which both have no revelance whatsoever. The Church is probably the biggest critic of PP. To compare the two is only logical. Did you maybe think that this country's insane antiabortion stance in some areas of the country is what forces PP to take money from shitty people? People BOMB abortion clinics in this nation, that is fucking crazy.

When you are talking about the NAACP and the Norfold Country Club, those are two different things. PP is one singular organization. So to openly denominate money in an unfair way, namely a rascist way, would breach its non for profit status. Also, above all, it would be illegal on the basis that it is rascist. So what is wrong for them to agree to it, and not uphold it because it is illegal. In this case the fault would not fall on PP for not carrying it out, but on the US government for making such wild antiracism laws, those crazy liberals.

I'm going to put this as simple as possible about the Department of Defense vs. Planned Parenthood, PP might suck babies out of vaginas and dump them, but damn are they efficient. The Defense Department on the other hand grossly overspends, and misallocate funds. If you want to compare the two, then don't complain that one is a lot more complicated than the other. Cause if it is, it wouldn't be a very good comparison would it?

this makes me proud to live in ohio now

Ok because a few priests are commiting crimes doesn't mean that is what the overall church's actions are. Those crimes are isolated cases and the fault lies solely with the individuals who partook in the crimes and those who assisted them or tried to cover it up. Transferring from parish to parish is a local and isolated incident, it doesn't, or at least shouldn't, reflect on the church as a whole. A donation to the church is not synonymous to a donation to child molesters. You trying to draw that conclusion is a direct reflection of your intelligence. I already tried to explain to you how a donation to the entire network of churches or to the "Church" is not a donation to a single priest who molests children. i cant even comprehend how someone could come to that conclusion. That would be like saying if there are spies or espionage workers working inside say the American Red Cross and they steal money to fund terrorism, and i happened to be a donator to the red cross, i have donated towards terrorism!?

That is what i am talking about when i say your logic with the church is askew. And so far i have not tried to directly compare PP to the DoD or big business you dumb fuck. I was drawing an allusion to other threads in NSG that bash big business and the DoD citing ethical issues. I was simply pointing out that if they are alarmed by practices they view as unethical in big business or DoD, how could they not be alarmed by this?

In fact, this thread was really just a test to see how much the thinking of the "wholefoods generation of voters" is biased to the left. I know i am biased to the right and i respect that. But if theres a serious issue with true accounting crime in the government, i would be the first to be appalled by that. Too bad the fact of the matter is, there isnt. And while a lot of people don't really understand how things work in the fields themselves that they are bashing, this is one situation that is pretty clear and obvious: There is racism or at the least a clear and obvious lack of moral and ethical authority in Planned Parenthood.

You bring a good point about my analogy to the NAACP or NCC. My point may have been lost in the usage of a poor example. My point was, if the general consensus is that a cause is good, then it is legal to donate to a specific demographic. That is not discrimination or racism because as a private donator I am allowed to donate to whomever I want. But you're absolutely right when there are bad intentions, it is dead illegal for planned parenthood to accept the donations. So as you yourself have pointed out, if it is illegal to accept a racist donation, then WHY IS PLANNED PARENTHOOD SO WILLING TO DO SO?

You see, this issue is becoming harder and harder to justify. For once would you level your heads and actually admit what is going on here is wrong?!

If not, then your definition of "wrong" is seriously skewed and should never be credible.

I want JD to comment.