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ooooo ahhhh you can take soundbites out of context! Congratulations. If you took the time to read the thread, you'd know the dispute is not upon the specifics of what happens within the intelligence community, but rather the accuracy of the Defense sector of the Federal Budget overall. People were speculating that the amount 580 billion dollars for the area of Defense was an inaccurate number. They based this assumption on the fact that the CIA budget was classified. I rebutted saying that the CIA budget is hidden within the Defense budget so the amount 580 billion dollars is accurate. Moreover, people like icepointa believes that we spend closer to 1.2 trillion dollar annually on defense related issues. I think its pretty clear we don't have 1.2 trillion dollars to spend like that every year. I mean a major problem is our national debt which is at 9.1 trillion dollar cummulative since like 1812. If we were spending 1.2 trillion on defense alone, how the fuck is our national debt not like 20 trillion dollars?
My rebuttles sound really repetitive for a reason! It is because you guys keep bringing up the same points over and over again despite what I write! You then PM me or post here asking me to reply and I can only post the same response again! I mean this is the 4th or 5th time ive had to explain a simple concept such as thefederal budget!
And for the record, i completely agree about how unethical it is for us to have a CIA that takes such a preemptive approach to foreign policy. But, that doesnt suggest we should have a clear CIA budget! The CIA (among other things...) also, believe it or not, protects us everyday and there are A LOT of spies and espionagers in the US (one was just arrested a few days ago. some chinese dude was trying to steal night vision and computer plans from the pentagon). Somethings must be hidden for our own good. And as long as our elected officials in Congress approve of the budget, i don't see a problem with it.
You're right. Just cuz someone has a different point of view than me doesn't make them dumb inherently. But that also doesn't mean someone can be dumb based upon their point of view. If it was my point of view that 2+2=5, wouldn't that make me dumb? What if I thought murder shouldn't be a capital offense? What if i thought crime of passion should be a misdemeanor? Would that make me dumb? I would hope so. Consequently, i view people with far left ideals as dumb. thats my point of view! And it seems that its you guys that don't give my point of view a chance! My discourse has been thoroughly supported with facts from a solid source. In fact, my method of debate in this thread has largely been refutation. You guys keep making unsubstantiated assertions with absolutely no credible sources. I have used non opinionated scientific data in the form of numbers or historical fact. And im not trying to make direct personal attacks but if i am, if i have counted correctly, you guys have made way more attacks towards me than i have towards you.
wow how many times do i have to show youl HE SPENDS IT ALL ON HEALTH CARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY. SOCIAL SECURITY ALONE MAKES UP FOR ABOUT 20 BILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN ALL DEFENSE COSTS COMBINED THEN WHEN YOU ADD IN HEALTHCARE WHICH IS LIKE 180-200 BILLION DOLLARS... Yea youre right, education needs way more money they only get 3% of the annual budget.
Jesus christ its pretty plain and simple. You give numbers but you don't analyze them. Instead you come up with your own GUESS as to what the most expensive thing the government spends on is. Military spending really isn't as expensive as people think. Some people miss the fact that we pay a lot of money out to roughly 65 million old people every year. Lots of money im talking like hundreds of grand. And all that adds up to more money than all of defense. So there you go. wrong again. For reference please refer to either the government version of the federal budget or refer to the liberal independent study.
Yea no shit Saddam was CONTACTED by the CIA everyone knows that. I hate how some of you people like to act like its some sort of secret no one knows about. Haha even the princeton review book for AP US history talks about that!
Its your interpretation of the events that is sooooooooooooooooooooo sad.
Heres what i think youre trying to say:
In 1959 Dwight D Eisenhower, told the CIA to go throwdown Abd al-Karim Qasim and put Saddam Hussein in power. The republican party then planned to invade their puppet 43 years later to get some Oil and portection for Iran, a country that is an enemy of the USA. The GOP also planned this because it predicted that in about 20 years it will become allies with Syria and in 43 years, Israel would still exist. So they let Saddam stay in power for about 38 years before they started harassing him and finally invaded him.
Correct?
Wrong!
Let me inform you a little about history. In 1959, there were these bad guys called the Soviets. They liked to make really really big bombs that involved atoms splitting. These were called NUCLEAR WEAPONS. These clever russians liked to take about 20 of them, put them each on a seperate missile, then load all 20 into one huge missile that could pretty much hit anywhere in the world. For places they couldnt reach, they used big airplanes and guarded them with smaller planes called MIGS. These soviets were bent on world domination. They had already invaded poland, ukraine, georgia, and all those small eastern european states. Their ruler was named Stalin and he liked to oppress people and use his secret police to kill people who didn't like Stalin.
Ok well these Soviet guys really wanted all of Europe like the Nazis had. These euro-pussies (France, Britain, Turkey, blah blah) pleaded for the USA to guard them while they were rebuilding from getting their asses kicked (then saved by the USA) in WWII. We formed an alliance called NATO. NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) was a binding contract that said we must perform war on the enemies of any NATO member if that country came under attack or the threat thereof. Stupid Americans why would we tie ourselves into something this dumb?! Oh thats right because we had a liberal president named Harry S. Truman (mr. let's push for a 3rd nuke on japan the day of their surrender!) who created the FBI and CIA!
Ok fast forward to 1959. The soviets had their eyes on afghanistan for quite a while now and they wanted Iran, turkey, iraq, and britain as well. Too bad, the 4 of them signed a pact called the Anti Soviet Bahgdad pact. Nananabooboo right? WRONG! Well you see, ski pimp, the soviets have these guys called the KGB. They puppeteered this guy named Qasim and that dude overthrew the Iraqi Monarchy and backed Iraq out of the Anti Soviet Bahgdad pact. I mean, seeing as how the pact was named after a city in Iraq itself, Iraq backing out was kind of a big deal. Now France and Britain got super worried. they were all like yo US pleeaaasseee help us out.
Good thing by now we had a republican in office. He was Dwight D Eisenhower who commanded like all the troops in WWII! He knew that WWIII would be a huuuge mistake so he conducted his business secretly. We HAD to help out NATO so what we did was ask this guy Saddam Hussein (seemed pretty stable at the time) to over throw Qasim so that the Soviets didnt move nukes close to Europe and potentially blow everyone up.
So really, at the time all we did was 1. Avoid WW3 with humongous nuclear weapons, 2. Follow our binding contract with NATO, and 3 Overthrow a KGB funded regime.
Now Saddam was a good boy all the way up until the 1980s when he started to turn sour on us for helping us out getting our hostages back from the Ayotolla. Saddam went on a huge power trip with all the money that we gave him that was supposed to go towards helping the well being of Iraq. He used it instead to buy hookers, cars, booze, and oil, and above all, weapons! Its not our fault he killed kurds, shi'ites, invaded kuwait, and funded al quaeda! We couldn'tve know what he was going to do in the 90s during the 50's. Any person could potentially go on power trips.
So whats the moral of my utterly patronizing history lesson you ask skipimp? Well theres a few, one is practice fiscal conservatism. Dont practice fiscal liberalism and go taxing people then creating the shady CIA. Another is practice diplomatic conservatism. This country was founded on the Monroe Doctrine and Truman had to go fuck it up with the Truman Doctrine (no matter what, if a country is in need against communism, we must defend it). So over all, it's dont elect presidents who are too far on the left. (well technically truman wasn't elected, he was the vice president of roosevelt).
But most importanlty, ski pimp, it's don't make alarmist remarks about what the USA did in the past without understanding what actually happened. You seem to love taking things out of context.
no you don't understand! How many friggin times do i have to point out that when the DoD does shady dealings they hide it within business contracts?! Thats how they fund classified operations. But doing so doesn't mathematically change the entire Defense budget! Therefore, after reading the federal budget (which is much more complicated than what i just gave, theres like 8 pages detailing each section so theres like 100 pages every year), you can't say defense is more than social security.
Its just a plain fact that theres more being spent on social security than defense. If the government was trying to hide something, and we were spending more on defense than social security, then that means there would be another like 100 billion (a very tiny lead by that)- 1 trillion dollars being spent on defense that no one knows about! Do you have any idea how many people would be involved by then? How could anyone hide an extra 100 billion dollar expenditure in one year? Like first of all where would you get that money? The Fed ain't gonna print it, that would ruin the value of money and their power. Plus the Fed has to release everything they do so that the NYSE doenst crash and all your parents lose their jobs. I mean and who would loan the government 100 billion dollars? And little old sally working on a middleclass salary, a secretary in accounting or human resources paying out the 100 billion dollars wouldn't notice anything?
I don't know sound pretty far fetched to me... Less likely than there being a space ship burried in roswell.
Ok if you think money is the root of all evil, fine theres nothing more to argue. That would mean everyone is evil because everyone on this earth wants more money. Dont be a hypocrite and say you dont. If you don't want money you wouldn't be skiing. period.
But i thought you mightve had a rational brain and thought that something shady was going on based on the dealings something like laundering in your first post.
All i am doing is clarifying what is actually going on because you have proven again and again you really don't know much about the subject...
