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Shoul I use heli coils to mount my bindings???? (first mount)

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constpapa
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I trashed my Volkl Walls recently (both heel pieces tore out of skis, right ski snapped in half). I am probably getting some Salomon Suspects in the next few weeks and I was wondering whether I should heli coil my bindings into the skis right off the bat. I really don't want my bindings ripping out of these skis so I was wondering if this would be a good idea...any thoughts?
Apr 14 2008 3:02PM
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Deranged
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I wouldn't if I were you.  The only reason they ripped out before is because you had Volkl walls, probably the worst quality ski ever made....well worst quality right next to last years Volkl Dogans.  Pretty much don't ever buy a Volkl park ski ever again and you will be good.
Apr 14 2008 3:15PM
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constpapa
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Trust me, I know about the quality issues with this year's Walls...it's a shame.

It's just that I heard pros get their bindings heli coiled right off the bat....not true?

Apr 14 2008 5:30PM
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shabinka
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To be honest, I would just because my bindings ripped out twice before they put helis in. It would be a good choice.
Apr 14 2008 6:48PM
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Silence
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I'd say the Karmas were one of the most durable park skis ever made.
Apr 14 2008 9:08PM
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Polar_Beer
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word dude, karma's were pretty much the best ski ever. little bit stiff but still the best.
Apr 14 2008 10:54PM
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constpapa
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alright alright, let's stay on topic.....any other thoughts???
Apr 15 2008 11:41AM
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mntelebumper
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the suspects are looking good for next year, and salomons build quality has been getting better every season, so id say stick with a traditional mount, because its really not worth the extra money to helicoil your skis unless your cores are so swiss cheesed that nothing else will hold the binding in.
Apr 15 2008 12:00PM
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49566738265
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I wouldn't do it just because of the remounting limitations.  You should be okay.
Apr 15 2008 1:35PM
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Troop801
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probably dont need to do it, but it wont hurt anything.

in spite of what others say
Apr 15 2008 3:37PM
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constpapa
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It's sorta 50/50 right now....damn.....
Apr 15 2008 3:45PM
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skibikeclambake
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dont do it, itll screw you over later as stated, and
warantee your walls, that is looked at as a defect by the warantee dpt. and i know some of those who work in it personally
Apr 15 2008 5:43PM
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SK1ERDUDE
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same thing happened to mineit was a production error send them in and you will get a new pair
Apr 15 2008 6:45PM
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jfuller
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You should already know where you want your skis mounted to begin with.  So worrying about a remount is silly (and you CAN do it anyway).  Yes, certain people heli-coil their sticks right off the bat, and it does strengthen the hold (especially metal heli's, plastic ones are shit).  The only downside is a slight "flat" spot in the center of the ski.  But unless your a racer, or just like to carve on groomers all day long, I doubt you'd notice...

Another option besides heli coils, is to use epoxy in your drill holes, instead of glue (which really doesn't do much anyway).
Apr 16 2008 3:47PM
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constpapa
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I agree, I'm getting these babies center mounted regardless so I might as well make those bindings hold permanently. What's fat spot you're talking about though?? You mean the helis will actually take up room and expand the girth of the ski?

Apr 17 2008 1:42AM
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jfuller
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Not "fat"....FLAT spot.  when you insert something that strong underfoot, it creates a flat spot in the flex of the ski.  Meaning when the ski bends, it creates an arc, when that arc hits the screws in your toes and heels, it flattens out underfoot.

It happens every time you click into your bindings, so like I said, no worries....
Apr 17 2008 12:15PM
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constpapa
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wow I'm illiterate lol....k thanks for the info

Apr 17 2008 12:42PM
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constpapa
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Just an update...I decided to buy some Amplid Antidogma's and I'm gonna go through with heli coils on my first mount....I just don't want to have to worry about my bindings pulling out again
Jun 12 2008 7:52PM
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Ryanvdonk
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what bindings werre they?
Jun 12 2008 10:37PM
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C.J.
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well, you talk like you know what your saying, but you dont. Wood glue is used for two reasons. One is to act as a lubricant for the screws to go ALL the way in, and second to act as a water barrier. Epoxy is a bad idea because it dries very hard and rigid, and skis are not rigid objects. the flexing of the ski causes the epoxy to crack, and possibly not seal well. And the epoxy WON"T help hold the screws in better then wood glue does. Wood glue is meant for just that, WOOD. Which is what your screwing into. Dont use epoxy.
Jun 12 2008 11:33PM
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constpapa
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0809 Salomon STH-12's
Jun 12 2008 11:41PM
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LC.
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You're wasting your money getting them helicoiled straight off. Get some epoxy in there if you want extra hold, it's fine to do.
Jun 13 2008 3:41PM
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Volkl_860
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were you the one who got the 0809 sth 12's for free on a warranty?   i was so jealous of that thread...lol sooo lucky
Jun 17 2008 9:19PM
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