9/11 discuss.

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ahhhh!!!! the black helicopters are flying over my house.

the government is after me!!

Apr 7 2008 11:27PM

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i didnt mean to phrase it to sound like "scare tactics" sorry. i just want people to remember what actually happened that day. people in this country live life on a "fast-food" mentality, they seem to forget things relatvley quickly. rembmber why we went to war rather then try to blame our government for some rediculous event.

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it wouldn't let me quote the pictures you posted for some reason, but are you seriously posting those pictures as proof? they could be from any plane wreckage in history.

Apr 7 2008 11:40PM

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why? so we can all bask in sorrow over the unchangeable past? dont' dwell in the past, take the experience and learn from it.

Apr 7 2008 11:45PM

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And with that, I give up. I could post anything and you people would find a way to deny it. Even if I found a shot which showed the entire empennage intact, tail number still readable, next to a half burned boarding pass clearly reading "American Airlines Flight 77," inside the Pentagon, you would say it was photoshopped or the government staged the photo or something. There is no point in arguing with people who consistently choose to shun reason. I'm done. If your mind is really open, do some research. You'll see that the only conspiracy around September 11 is that of a bunch of paranoid fear mongers trying to convince people that the government is out to get them.

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ferrinski86

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you dont have to bask in the sorrow, but you do have to remember where you came from and how we got here.

but your right, you do have to learn fromthe past. Adapt and overcome.

Apr 7 2008 11:51PM

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same.

what? how is this evidence? story behind it? come on..your trying to prove a point that you believe so firmly in that your willing to judge other and this is the proof you give?

Apr 7 2008 11:55PM

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Not scare tactics, just reminding people what happened. Getting people out of their peaceful happy ignorance of bliss.

Apr 8 2008 12:04AM

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The story behind it? They're pictures of the landing gear assembly of a Boeing 757 in the Pentagon. Missiles do not have landing gear. What the hell more do you want? Again, I'm over this. Go research for yourself if you're really interested in seeing if there's any legitimacy to the ridiculous conspiracy theories out there. And for the love of God, find LEGITIMATE sources, not unconfirmed hearsay from unqualified or anonymous alleged experts or witnesses.

Apr 8 2008 12:08AM

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well then, what would be a legitimate source for those who believe the government was behind the attacks somehow? the government's "official" commission report?

on a brighter note, thank you for saying legitimate instead of legit. such a pet peeve of mine.

good night.

Apr 8 2008 12:33AM

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A legitimate source would be one that is scientifically sound, written by someone qualified to write on the topic, and (if possible) PEER-REVIEWED, at least as far as all the engineering-based theories on structural failures. And also, everyone knows the 9/11 Commission report is seriously flawed. But look at the NIST report, which is much more valid.

Apr 8 2008 12:41AM

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Has anyone watched Zeitgeist ? I think its Zeitgeistmovie.com . Everyone watch it if your skeptic about 9/11 and the conspiracy or whatever. It talks about chrsitianity and religion stuff in beggining but just wait until middle when it talks about 9/11. Pretty crazy stuff if its all true.

Apr 8 2008 1:33AM

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if I remember tomorrow I will find an article as you mention here. believe it or not they exist. i'll leave you with this for now. i know alex jones has some crazy ideas and he's a little hot headed in this video, but he lays everything out here pretty well. you can research yourself anything he says:

Apr 8 2008 2:00AM

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here's a few more for now.

a list of over 370 engineers and architects and what they have to say about it: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers

and here's a website called Architechs and Engineers for 911 truth with a petition signed by 308 of them so far.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

if you still want more feel free to request. or you could do some research for yourself.

Apr 8 2008 2:15AM

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It would just be nice to have answers to some of these questions. Not implying anything at all about a conspiracy or something, its just that some specific details seemed to be quickly brushed over by the commission report or were just never addressed. And especially if known experts are trying to raise the "WTF is going on" flag.

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My jaw continues to drop at the statements you derive from NOWHERE..i never said it was a missile, i never said any of the conspiracy theories are legit-actually i said they are not-loose change. i did my research and found nothing that confirms any solid evidence on either side.

you need to stop jumping to conclusions buddy..

Apr 8 2008 7:15AM

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because planning and executing the attack is one thing for the terrorists, but they took credit for what they did. However, for our government to pull off such a task and make it seem like it was somebody else, plus get a terrorist organization to take credit for it, and cover all of their tracks, plus doing so so recently after a presidential switch, meaning that both clinton and bush had to be in on it. That is unless you think they could organize this operation in less than a year. Come on man.

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this thread is ridiculous. it's full of big words and people who have "done their research." nobody knows what happened, just that it was an awful tragedy and should be remembered. stop.

Apr 8 2008 11:39AM

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Subject: "I like toast" discuss.

Apr 8 2008 12:38PM

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only if the wheat is not genetically modified.

Apr 8 2008 1:39PM

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How ignorant of you! There is a grander movement behind such matters as flamed bread, one that reaches to the very core, the very flour of the issue.

Indeed, one would be blind to not see the possibility that someone in our government was swayed into making a profit in breakfast. Surely it is no coincidence that back in 2001, when toast had edged out the pop tart for number one in toaster satisfaction, that the large corporation of Bagel suddenly regained market share and began to profit from the events of 9/12, the infamous hijack of the level knob which, catastrophically for our two slices of bread, flipped from 4 to 6, mysteriously.

You mean to tell me that you actually believe the Burnt Toast Committee's final report that the level change was caused by the disgruntled crumbs of the Middle Crease living in the tray at the bottom of the toaster for years, that decided to enact their revenge on those that have, quite literally, shat upon them since Toast established its dominion over the Pantry?

Don't be a fool! These events reek of a rush job in explaining away the biggest con in breaded memory. How do you explain the insurance contract signed by Bagel, who had many shares with Toast, that totaled 300 million Pepperidge Farm's worth in case of "knob stroking"?

I tell you this, Toast had it coming either way. Play with fire, you get burned.

"I like toast" is now simply a keyword in the republican repertoire, a sentence grabbed onto by the fake patriots of our day. To dare say "I like toast, BUT with cream cheese" now labels you has a liberal out to destroy the memory of 9/12.

It's bullshit I tell you. Bullshit.

Keep living like a sheep. I know the knob is being stroked by the government.

Apr 8 2008 1:51PM

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Bush is actually Osama Bin Laden

Apr 8 2008 2:34PM

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RudyGarmisch

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Shut up dude, if the government finds out you'll get jammed!

Apr 8 2008 2:36PM

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i want a "yes" or "no" answer. did America kill 3,000 of our own citizens on 9/11 2001?

i agree that the government is capable of such a horrendous act, do i think we did it? NO!

plus think of all the small things things the government has tried and failed to cover up in the past, and now im supposed to believe that they would be able to cover up 9/11, "come on man"..

Bill cant even spin his way out of who was sucking his cock.

Apr 8 2008 2:55PM

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exactly

I'm not saying what did or didn't happen, but saying that people in government positions are not capable of pulling off a 911 false flag operation, is entirely ignorant. But tell yourself whatever makes you feel better.

Apr 8 2008 2:56PM

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My only question is why? Bush was in office 9 months before 9|11, hes fresh on the job and yet now he has to deal with one of the most important events in modern history? Imagine being in his shoes and finding out that terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into buildings killing 3,000 people and you just got your foot into the door to the white house, who would want that? Secondly, what did they have to gain from it? I find it very hard to believe that they wanted to fire up Americans so we can go into Iraq and do what? Free them of Saddam Hussein after we realize they DONT have WMDs? It doesn't make sense to me, I think its definitely more rational to believe that angry terrorists did it to make a statement. And people always talk about "evidence" and how things "dont add up", like when you supposibly heard explosions. Listen people, not many times in our life are we going to see huge planes flying 500mph into buildings, and of course we arent going to be experts in what happend because it just never happends, so of course some things we wont necassarily understand

Apr 8 2008 2:57PM

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---------------karma for the thread creator and shame on all who are arguing this. Go argue on an old thread.
soooooo

SEARCHBAR NOOB!

Apr 8 2008 3:38PM

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Hahaha. You fit the retarded American conservative stereotype perfectly. Actually I don't know you or give a fuck for that matter, so it wouldn't make much sense for me to jump to that conclusion.

I usually don't reply to these 911 threads, because I find them irrelavent and people end up argueing in circles, and the fact of the matter is that the whole ordeal was 7 years in the past and none of us was there or involved in any relavent function regarding the ordeal. I only replied because several people suggested that the US government isn't capable of pulling off a flase flag operation like this, which is extraordinarily naive. Of course it doesn't mean they would do it even if they were capable. The fact of the matter is that the policies that they're using the incident to justify are just as fucked up, regardless of who exactly was involved in bringing about 911.

Also, I'm anything but paranoid. I understand enough to know that the government doesn't give a fuck about a middle class, white, American college student, even if I'm a little inquisitive. It doesn't make any financial sense for them, and thats the primary concern of those in power. Even if I had a good grasp on some of the backhanded and somewhat evil functions that our government and society helps perpetuate, I'm not really in a position of influence where I could change anything but my own life, hence they don't give a fuck.

Apr 8 2008 4:09PM

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Theyre unorganized by design, oh, and they're all corrupt puppets of the corporations anyway.

Write your local MP make a difference!

Apr 9 2008 1:38AM

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drew drew drew.
i thought you of all NS would know this, peer reviewed doesnt mean shit,
the information is only as good as the source..
if you wanted to take that argument to an extreme, you could site some Nazi studies on the holocaust and call them "peer reviewed".

I would also challenge you to consume more types of information, than "peer reviewed political science books and journals."     no one is right 100% of the time, so wouldn't it be better to have multiple opinions on each subject? that way you can choose between the two, and make a logical conclusion from there.

second, i dont listen to Rush, i dont really like him. so STOP assuming, it only makes an "ass out of you and me"..........     get it? "ass outa u in me" haha its a joke but if you take the time to think about it, most of the time its true.

i also dont see how you can get off insulting my intelligence when it comes to politics.   i told you before, i dont take one persons word as truth(you shouldent either) i take in at least two forms of media, and two opposing view points, from there i draw a conclusion.    so really i would appreciate if you could stop insulting my intelligence ok? thanks.

haha the clinton comment was more or less a joke,    meaning, if all of america knows who is sucking off the president, do you really believe they could keep killing 3,000 innocent Americans a "secret"..
again, it was a poor attempt at humor on my part.

i also dont see where i insulted Clintons policies(except the killing bin ladin part) , if i had to choose between him, his wife, and barack. i would easily choose HIM.

Apr 9 2008 10:55AM

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not really funny knowing that thousands of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, friends and huge companys were perished... I dont think it was a scheme what so ever, it was an act of terrorism for sure, i remember that day so well, real scary. I remember being in 4th grade and my dad worked as a stock broker in a building sraight across from the towers. My mom came and got me with my sister and they were both sobbing because my dad wasnt answering his phone, all day, and all that night. My mom thought for sure he was dead but didnt want to tell us so we had to wait a whole 36 hours untill we heard from him. He told me that he heard a very loud sound and thought it was a bulding being demolished, but he thought it was still a little louder then normal so he told his partners he was gunna go check... When he went down he saw tons of smoke pouring out of the first tower in where people were screaming that a plane just hit the tower, at first he thought it was an accident... but when he saw the 2nd plane came in, he knew it wasnt an accident, he ran up to his building and told all of his buissness partners to get out, then he went to the bottom of the towers trying to help people... He described the scenary in which i cant even imagine, he was speaking real slow and studdering so much. I have never seen him studder in my life... He told me that he would see people holding hands and jumping out of the windows and hitting the ground 30 feet infront of him... He also told me he would see people running out of the building trying to escape and huge pieces of glass would fall and litterly cut the peoples in half... cut peoples arms off, legs off, and sometimes straight down the middle. he stayed as logn as he could and then sent the night at his friends appartment over night, the phones were out so he didnt call untill the next day... real scary day

Apr 9 2008 10:57AM

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wow!
your dad did a great thing by helping his fellow people.

i have my own, story about 9/11. i was home sick on that day, i was setting watching TV and the phone rang, it was my aunt. she "said turn on any news station". right as we switched, i saw the second plane hit the towers. i was honestly in shock! what was happening? why? and who?
now to compound all these emotions, my own "dad" is an airline pilot and was flying out east that day.
thankfully it was not his plane.

and your right drew, i dont "know" it was terrorists, but i believe with every bone in my body it was.

Apr 9 2008 11:08AM

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My friends dad was supposed to get on the first plane that hit. He got stuck in traffic and missed his flight- one lucky dude

Apr 9 2008 11:28AM

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Oh. My.

Check your ears for the brainwashing fluid thats leaking out all over the floor.

Both of you.

YOu honestly think there was no incentive or reason for the US gov't to stage an attack on itself?

I'm telling you, there will be trials, Bush and his admin will be found guilty.

The CIA has been staging terrorist attacks for 75 years. Why in the HELL do you think its so outrageous that they did it again? Are you stupid?

The game of power the Elite play, is a sick game, where human life is cheap.

They dont care about the American Public, I've heard it come straight out of their mouths! They only care about their families, and becoming more powerful. They are sick in the head, and are shrouded by their own reality, and are definately disconnected.

HOw about you educate yourself on the history of the CIA and then come back and tell me 9/11 isn't somthing they would do.

For fucks sake, they admitted to bombing the world trade center in 1993!

How can you so willingly blind yourself! Fools!

Apr 9 2008 11:33AM

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i know a lot of you won't end up watching this but even if one person does its worth it. www.zeitgeistmovie.com. its a 2 hour documentary and its not only about 9/11 it goes into religion and the real powers behind our government. before i saw this film i felt like a lot of people posting how the conspiracy theories are wack and just crazy people trying to stir shit up. but this is legit. definately watch it if you have the time.

Apr 9 2008 11:37AM

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Sorry everyone, re-post on new page..

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Quoting ferrinski86 from Apr 7 2008 10:09:55:
i agree completely with your statement.

This countries core values have been deteriorated to the point where we (as Americans) don't really stand for anything. it kills me to say that it has come to a sad point in history when we cannot believe in our country anymore. we had thousands of fellow countrymen and women killed in one day by an enemy that truly hates us (whether you believe that or not). to think that it was an inside job sickens me and i pray that GOD may have mercy on their soles.

I believe that the media should replay some of the footage from 9/11 on TV everyday (during this war) to remind everybody just what this country went through and how we came together as a nation.

Oh. My.

Check your ears for the brainwashing fluid thats leaking out all over the floor.

Both of you.

YOu honestly think there was no incentive or reason for the US gov't to stage an attack on itself?

I'm telling you, there will be trials, Bush and his admin will be found guilty.

The CIA has been staging terrorist attacks for 75 years. Why in the HELL do you think its so outrageous that they did it again? Are you stupid?

The game of power the Elite play, is a sick game, where human life is cheap.

They dont care about the American Public, I've heard it come straight out of their mouths! They only care about their families, and becoming more powerful. They are sick in the head, and are shrouded by their own reality, and are definately disconnected.

HOw about you educate yourself on the history of the CIA and then come back and tell me 9/11 isn't somthing they would do.

For fucks sake, they admitted to bombing the world trade center in 1993!

How can you so willingly blind yourself! Fools!

Apr 9 2008 3:44PM

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almostaskier

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Um, what?

Apr 9 2008 4:08PM

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yellav

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yup.

watch the link i just posted.

Apr 9 2008 6:10PM

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Ya, they did.

Apr 9 2008 6:40PM

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proof? link?

Apr 9 2008 6:55PM

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you have to watch the zeitigest movie, its in there, i dont know of anyone else who is saying this, besides zeitigest...

Apr 9 2008 7:24PM

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Allegations of FBI foreknowledge

In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad A. Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.

Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead.[11] He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers.[12]

In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office, denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks.[citation needed] The 1993 WTC sting operation was depicted as a false flag operation and was a plot device for the 1996 fictional movie The Long Kiss Goodnight with Geena Davis.

Wikipedia.

Its hard to get proof, thats why most remain Conspiracy THEORIES instead of COnspiracies.

Ill get more:

Read this

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

Apr 9 2008 7:39PM

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The problem with almost every major man made disaster or event is that there is always a conspiracy created from it, whether it is or is not true.

-Lunar Landing
-Holocaust
-JFK Assassination
-Princess Diana's Death
-9/11 Attacks
-Any assassinated president

That lists just a few but in almost every event/disaster there is reasonable evidence to suggest a possible scandal or conspiracy even though evidence leads it in the opposite direction. Determining what is face value and what isn't really is in the eye of the beholder.

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