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Bindings with Pivot Heel

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Skwirl
Posts: 313 - Karma: 18
Is it possible to find any of the old look/rossi bindings that have a pivot heel anymore? And if so where. I'm trying to pick myself up a pair of the p18 races or something. I was thinking about using the px 15 jib but I'm not sure if I trust the px heel. Thanks.
Apr 2 2008 9:33PM
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.Capn.
Posts: 1454 - Karma: 152
Ive got a pair, love them to death and will not sell them. There mounted on my PEs and are the only thing good about that pair of skis.
Apr 2 2008 9:35PM
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K-Thomas
Posts: 2700 - Karma: 604
pretty sure this'll go in gear talk. but i've used FKS bindings on my old TM's (turntable heel) and i've got PX15's on my new ones, and i must say that the px's are bomber. they seem way more solid than the turntables, especially when goin fast/jumping. I do however like the short mounting distance on the turntable style bindings cuz it gives you more tail to the ski, but i really havent noticed it that much w/ my PX's. The 15's are still all metal and are super sturdy.
Apr 2 2008 9:35PM
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cobra_commander
Posts: 16909 - Karma: 4,686
metal px heel is solid Geoff.  worm screw, lots of metal, solid.
Apr 2 2008 9:36PM
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three6steeze
Posts: 484 - Karma: -3
best bindings ever made... Its pretty hard to find someone who will actually sell theirs but its possible. I know the 12 din turntables go for about 100-125 but other then that i couldent tell ya.
Apr 2 2008 9:38PM
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jibjohnson15
Posts: 67 - Karma: 10
the only way to describe them is bomb proof. i have a pair im willing to let go. they are the blue p15 race binding. if your interested pm me. to add befor ypu write me they dot have any breaks. but thats for yu to figure out. i had them on helbents and just used a telemark break strap. it worked fine.hit me up im you or anyone is interested.
Apr 2 2008 9:39PM
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K-Thomas
Posts: 2700 - Karma: 604
yes
Apr 2 2008 9:40PM
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Matty_C
Posts: 2598 - Karma: 236
if you can't find any I highly recommend the head/tyrollia mojo 15. bomber binding, pivot heel, light, metal(ish), cheap. good alternative.
Apr 2 2008 9:42PM
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Skwirl
Posts: 313 - Karma: 18
It's not so much that I'm worried about them breaking, as it is that I don't want them to suck. I've had trouble with bindings not releasing at the right times recently.
Apr 2 2008 9:42PM
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Skwirl
Posts: 313 - Karma: 18
And by that I mean releasing when they aren't supposed to in Pipe especially.
Apr 2 2008 9:42PM
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phishfood
Posts: 2542 - Karma: 298
i have a pair of 14 din rossignol axial 140 race stocks with pivot heals (the ones that pivot a little bit but not all they way around) that i might sell soon, PM me.
Apr 2 2008 9:43PM
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cobra_commander
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PX 15s release very similarly to p-15's
Apr 2 2008 9:43PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
call me a n3wb but why did look/rossi quit making the turntable heels? and i have 2 pairs of p18 race stock bindings, i might let one pair got if the price is right.
Apr 2 2008 9:46PM
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Dustin.
Posts: 13839 - Karma: 7,704
It must be cheaper to make the new ones because I don't understand why they discontinued such a popular binding.
Apr 2 2008 10:00PM
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K-Thomas
Posts: 2700 - Karma: 604
the new PX's are a shit ton cheaper to make than the pivot heel bindings, and they test out just as well as the pivots and in my opinion feel a little more solid.
Apr 2 2008 10:01PM
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wintersway
Posts: 5115 - Karma: 128
yeah i thought so too, then my brother broke his under rotating a five on a thirty foot table, soft landing too, brake broke off, heel cracked and slid backward
Apr 2 2008 10:22PM
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K-Thomas
Posts: 2700 - Karma: 604
i'm talking PX 15's primarlily. did he have a problem w/ those or the 12's w/ more plastic on them?
Apr 2 2008 10:24PM
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St.Steezy
Posts: 4228 - Karma: 20
They redesigned the pivot binding because of release problems. The pivot heel and a certain angle was the equivalent of a super high din setting. The manufacturing cost played a minor factor in the redesign, I presume.
Apr 2 2008 10:37PM
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hollygrove
Posts: 7845 - Karma: 93
155?
http://www.proctorjones.com/pjonline/product.asp?s_id=0&prod_name=Rossignol+FKS+155&pf_id=6784&dept_id=11450&mscssid=1VBTVKS0MXT18G4KG208V2P8JKSC5MNE
Apr 2 2008 10:41PM
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timmmy
Posts: 654 - Karma: 25
i'll take those deathmachines off your hands for you
Apr 2 2008 10:48PM
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tride
Posts: 1038 - Karma: 26
Yeah, their new design sure doesn't suffer from "release problems".... unless of course you consider bindings that fall off at the slightest breeze a problem.

I've seen more people pre-release for no reason out of that new design, than any binding in history. Bad move Look/Rossi, bad move.
Apr 2 2008 10:56PM
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Skwirl
Posts: 313 - Karma: 18
They don't actually have those, and I liked the 18s.
Apr 2 2008 11:00PM
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djty111
Posts: 1103 - Karma: 93
rossignol and look stoped making thier fks and p bindings this year but there are still alot out there...
Apr 2 2008 11:01PM
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cobra_commander
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the px series are fine.
Apr 2 2008 11:07PM
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DudeAbides
Posts: 333 - Karma: 10
a thought on rossi bindngs.... they seem like they might impale your ass on a backseat landing or some such thing.
Apr 3 2008 2:37AM
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charmander
Posts: 10636 - Karma: 370
don't land backseat that much?
shit

kids today
Apr 3 2008 2:42AM
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XtRemE11
Posts: 5680 - Karma: 246
pivots are the best bindings ever made! px's are ok, but they prerelease so damn easily, i took mine to two different shops and a rossignol rep guy for their bindings in whistler, he was some like binding specialist, all he was doing all day was adjusting bindings for racers, and even when he tried to fix it it kept pre releasing.
Apr 3 2008 2:48AM
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followCam
Posts: 1907 - Karma: 446
I swear I'm just going to start duct taping my foot into my bindings and putting my din on 12 if my Looks keep pre releasing
Apr 3 2008 8:15AM
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MEGAZORD
Posts: 4531 - Karma: -7
I have a pair i will let go for relatively cheap.  Pm me for pictures and pricing.
Apr 3 2008 8:36AM
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HappyTreez
Posts: 311 - Karma: 401
i just ripped out of the track and completely warped the heelpiece sideways on my rossi scratch 140's.
my old pivots were bombproof 'cept for the brakes.
Apr 3 2008 9:52PM
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tride
Posts: 1038 - Karma: 26
No. They're not, they are absolutely terrible, they pre-release all the time.
Apr 3 2008 10:07PM
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wintersway
Posts: 5115 - Karma: 128
yeah he had the 12s, i thought they were all made of the composite stuff that looks like just plastic
Apr 3 2008 10:36PM
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williams
Posts: 3083 - Karma: 9,072
my FKS's are beat to shit. i need a new pair real baddd. but yes. best binding ever made...
Apr 3 2008 11:01PM
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K-Thomas
Posts: 2700 - Karma: 604
check your fwd pressure. i had that problem at first w/ some px 12s, but if you get your fp dialed they're fine.
Apr 3 2008 11:11PM
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hollygrove
Posts: 7845 - Karma: 93
Sorry, PX's are shit.
Even the metal ones, my brother went through two pairs of them this year.
Mine i don't even ski anymore because im scared on them. They're a useless binding, and theers MUCH better out there.
Apr 3 2008 11:17PM
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invader7
Posts: 5756 - Karma: 49
yea i ripped out the heal pecie on mine and i know two of my other friends that had the same problem and over all i just dont really like them all that well. but i have fks now so its all good
Apr 3 2008 11:22PM
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cobra_commander
Posts: 16909 - Karma: 4,686
there is a big difference between the px racing (15 and 18) and the px consumer (12 and 14 din)

and physically the px heel is much less likely to rip out of a ski then the fks heel, So either the guy who mounted your skis fucked up, or you have a ski with a shitty week ass core (K2?)
Apr 4 2008 5:15AM
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SHastatahoe
Posts: 3414 - Karma: 20
I have a pair of rossi axial 140s that are bomb.  I have had them on park skis for 3 or 4 seasons now and they hold me in well.  The brake apparatus started breaking this year, and they tore out of my fujis as the begining of the season, but a little clever shop work and they are shredding just as well. 
Apr 4 2008 6:18PM
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Santa-Cruz
Posts: 2236 - Karma: 11
why the pivot what it do??
Apr 4 2008 6:23PM
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WhackStyle.
Posts: 406 - Karma: 14
The only problem I've had with my Look bindings is that the heel piece kept breaking off.  My heel piece broke off twice this season and it was a pain in the ass.
Apr 7 2008 9:41PM
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chazz.
Posts: 2721 - Karma: 23
i think i understand the question, so to answer, the pivoting heel action of fks and older p-style bindings enable an extremly solid conection between the skier and the ski, as well as being the most safest binding available when you are in a crash, because the heel will come out in some awkward falls that others wont, yet they dont pre-release.
Apr 7 2008 11:13PM
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bobs
Posts: 4801 - Karma: 868
a cross between fks and axial 1 would be the most baller binding ever.  Axial 1 have worm screw adjustment and replaceable breaks but get play in the heel while fks have everything else almost dialed
Apr 8 2008 1:45AM
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