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Childhood vaccines Possible fuel for autism

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VT_FLO
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32988

So, if everyone acknowledges the toxicity of mercury and top U.S. health officials have called for its removal, why is thimerosal still in vaccines?

"Maybe," concludes Geier, "the mercury isn't being taken out all at once because if the pharmaceutical companies did that you would see an unbelievable change in the rate of autism and there would be massive lawsuits. If you look at the graphs now they go up and up. If you stop the thimerosal all at once you'd see the numbers fall dramatically."

Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., a longtime advocate for victims of autism, has a grandson who became autistic after receiving nine vaccines in one day. Burton recently sent his second request in as many years to the White House asking for a conference of scientists, researchers and parents to look into the causes of autism.

The Indiana lawmaker tells Insight, "There is no doubt in my mind that the mercury in vaccines is a major contributing factor to a growing number of neurological disorders among children, but in particular autism."



article goes on. so if it was banned 4 years ago, why are there heavy doses still?

Mar 21 2008 9:28PM
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KRASHED
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We honestly know so little about the medicine and vaccinations that go into our bodies that it's scary.

Interesting article.
Mar 21 2008 9:30PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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Unless the congressman from Indiana has some sort of medical degree I don't think he can make any of those claims. I also like how they said that putting "live viruses" in a vaccine was a bad thing. Do they know what a vaccine is or how it works?

With that being said, its surprising that mercury is used at all in vaccines.
Mar 21 2008 10:26PM
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2+2=5
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yeah its in pretty much every vaccine. even the flu shot. thats why i stay away from that shit
Mar 21 2008 11:09PM
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user098123
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He makes it sound so black and white. "My grandson received 9 vaccines in one day, and then he developed Autism." That just seems stupid in the first place. Your body needs time to heal after getting a vaccine, I'm surprised giving the kid 9 at once didn't make him really sick. As for autism from that? Ehh I dunno, doesn't seem too likely to me. but it is a little surprising that mercury is in there at all, there must be some purpose for it.
Mar 22 2008 9:21AM
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Boodje.
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yean,fill me in too.
Mar 22 2008 10:27AM
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Itsbackfliptime
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I think it works as a preservative somehow. Not completely sure about that.
Mar 22 2008 12:41PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Drug companies rule this country.
Mar 22 2008 1:14PM
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user098123
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And they are in a really bad situation. More and more strains of bacteria are growing resistances. Other drug companies are opting to make cheap knock off drugs instead of doing R&D for new ones. Additionally it takes over a billion dollars to bring a drug to market on top of research costs as well as like 8-12 years to get it on the market, leaving companies with 3-5 years to turn a profit on drugs before their patents run out. It's not looking good if something in the pharmaceutical agency doesn't change.
Mar 22 2008 3:41PM
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grubix2
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You hit the nail on the head.  People seriously don't realize what it takes to put drugs on the market.  I'll make a claim for my grandfather (who is a doctor), who said years and years ago, that drug R&D is on the decline and generics is where money is now-a-days.  Humans have really pushed the limits of the medical field the last 100 years.  If you graph medical progression as far as medication goes, the function would look rather hyperbolic.  Antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria are running rampant in our nations hospitals, and we can't even treat them anymore.  Antibiotics like Clindimycin and Penicillin-based antibiotics are becoming phased out.  We really could be in trouble in the next 100 years.

But honestly, that article is old news.  They've been trying to link vaccines to autism for a long time now.  I'm not going to say that no link is present.  But there definitely are other factors as well.  A big theory is that it's an external trigger to a pre-existing condition now.
Mar 22 2008 4:00PM
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user098123
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Ya definitely ^^. Both my parents have been working int he pharmaceutical industry for over 25 years. My mom is in Research and my dad is in Development, so we got both parts of R&D covered haha. Currently they are at Pfizer, I'm hoping to work there for a second summer this year. People don't realize how much the pharmaceutical industry is hurting right now..we could be in A LOT of trouble in 10 years or so.
Mar 22 2008 4:24PM
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KRASHED
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Like that drug resistant TB bug that is raping the Eastern US. shits fucked
Mar 22 2008 7:22PM
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user098123
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Yep that's a huge one. Did you know the first penicillin created can't even be used anymore? Almost everything is resistant to it. People used to die from infections that they got from a small cut on their finger..we could see that again in the future unless we figure out new ways to kill off the drug resistant bugs that are developing around the world.
Mar 22 2008 7:31PM
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BeerGoggles
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What city do you live in? What was your position with them/how did you like it?
I ask because I'm going to apply for one of there summer positions that I saw was available.
Mar 22 2008 7:44PM
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user098123
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I live in Kalamazoo. I worked in an assay development lab in animal health. It was alot of fun working there, its a huge company (like 5th in the world I think) so you get to see alot of stuff about how a huge corporation operates. It is also a huge bureaucracy which can be kinda lame sometimes. Overall, it was an awesome experience. I was also making like $600 a week and I knew some older interns that were making over $1200-$1400 a week, so its huge money.
Mar 22 2008 7:47PM
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user098123
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I should also say that there are usually like 300-500 applicants per internship position so good luck getting one, it's tough. Also, if you apply somewhere far away for a pfizer internship, they will pay for your living expenses, up to like $300 a week for food and rent and such.
Mar 22 2008 7:48PM
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BeerGoggles
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The opportunity sounds super interesting. The position is in the PR department, I cant even begin to think of all the challenges they must face.

Mar 22 2008 7:49PM
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VT_FLO
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the point of the article was that after being banned 4 years ago, mercury, in higher than "acceptable" amounts had made its way into a vaccination

mercury to my knowledge only serves the function of mad hatters disease, and thermomiters
Mar 22 2008 7:50PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Thats what it takes for a US drug company to produce a drug. Other countries can do it better, faster, and cheaper because they dont have an overinflated system of government subsidies and cutbacks. Privatization of this sector has helped a lot of people get rich, but in the process driven the cost to make these drugs ridiculously high, which of course, gets passed on to the consumer. THIS is the healthcare issue that should be on the forefront of the candidates speeched, not the stupid nitpicky details about insurance.
Mar 22 2008 10:35PM
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user098123
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It's still only slightly better in Europe, if at all. Most large pharmaceuticals that have the revenue to bring a drug through research are MNE's anyways. The biggest issues with the system are the upfront costs of the research as well as the limited time on the patents. They wouldn't cost nearly as much if companies had 5 more years to make money off the drugs before cheap knock offs come out. Additionally, it's a huge gamble to bring a drug to market, because you can only guess what is going to happen in clinical studies. This just happened recently to Pfizer, they were trying to incorporate Lipitor and a new drug together to lower bad cholesterol and raise the good. People started dying in clinical studies and Pfizer scrapped the entire project, losing billions and billions of dollars. It is indeed what should be talked about, however, most people view the pharmaceuticals as 'evil' corporations just trying to make tons of money. That's hardly the case, it's just easier to blame the company than blame the governments failing system.
Mar 23 2008 10:14AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I actually agree. The way I'd fix it though would be to let the government control the research instead of doling it our, as we do currently, to private corporations. Every other aspect of US medical research is done this way, and I cannot see why we wouldnt decide to do so under a 'somewhat universal' health care system. The researchers still need to get paid, but drugs need to be cheaper - thus, eliminating the corporate structure and getting rid of the atrocious ads on TV (I mean, Cialis during MXC? Really?) would cheapen the price to the consumer.
Mar 23 2008 11:47AM
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