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The man belongs in the white house

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TMswitch06
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I think it would be a shame to see Obama lose to someone like hilary. He has such a presidential demeanor, Watch this video, i know its like 40 min long, all you need to do is watch the first 5 min. Hes addressing all the topics other people are too scared to talk about. Compare that first 5 min to any Bush speech, he uses words that word make bush fall over. Not to mention he doesn't look down to any type of notes almost the entire time. This is how a president should act


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23687688
Mar 18 2008 2:45PM
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BlueSteele
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Bill Clinton was a good speaker too...

I wouldn't vote based solely on that though.
Mar 18 2008 3:43PM
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nashbuck
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because he can speak doesn't mean he can lead
Mar 18 2008 3:55PM
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bermbuster49
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i also think it would be a shame for him to loose, even though i wont vote for him, i still would pick him before Billary.
Mar 18 2008 4:01PM
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tribefan226
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im goin mccain. id favor obama to hillary though

Mar 18 2008 4:05PM
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J-ray-may
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tbh
Mar 18 2008 4:29PM
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freestyler540
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I agree


Mar 18 2008 6:20PM
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whattheshit
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Mar 18 2008 6:25PM
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pmills
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as we've seen for the past 8 years, if you can't speak you can't lead... And why do you think that ability to lead doesn't rely hevily on ones ability to speak?

 Being able to speak, and use language is a highly favorable trait in a leader, it allows you to communicate with your country men, and the rest of the world. 

I think the thing i want most from a president right now is one who is able to go out and talk to the rest of the world, someone who can start making amends and repairing our global image.

so how again is it a bad thing that he can speak?
Mar 18 2008 6:28PM
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Nicholas.
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haha where are the ron paul kids lately?
Mar 18 2008 6:30PM
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Dr.Scholl
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i think what he is trying to say he has integrity no one else has

no we shouldnt vote for some one soaley on there speaking abilitys but i the point of the post is to what he is talking about not how he talks about it
Mar 18 2008 6:30PM
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whattheshit
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hitler was perhaps ONE of the best public speakers.  look at what he accomplished as a leader.


get reeeeaaaaaaaaaaaalllll.

there is a difference between making the right decisions and being able to eloquently communicate yourself in front of a crowd.


p.s. don't spend a lengthy time on your rebuttal because i couldn't give a shit after this post.
Mar 18 2008 6:34PM
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BlueSteele
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it's not a bad thing, it just doesn't really matter.
Mar 18 2008 6:49PM
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pmills
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I think you're worng there, when 'good leader' comes to mind, you don't picture someone who can't orate



MLK, Frederick Douglass, JFK, FDR, Churchil, Carter, Lincoln

great speakers, great leaders

i'm not saying that the ability to speak determines your ability to lead, but it is an important characteristic of a great leader.


but i guess if you're coming from the point of view that he has nothing else going for him the it doesnt really matter

Mar 18 2008 7:01PM
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doublexl
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rebel...
Mar 18 2008 7:06PM
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KRASHED
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You saying not to reply to this post means you are afraid to back up your claims.

Are you serious comparing a good public speaker to being like Hitler than you should probably go back to retard 101. As for accomplishments he united a country, brought Germany out of one of the largest slumps the world has ever seen (ie getting assfucked from the Treaty of Versailles) and created an empire from the rubble. He was a wackjob yes, but this shows that the ability to speak to and unite the people means a hell of a lot more than droning on and on about policies etc.
Mar 18 2008 7:09PM
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KRASHED
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Now im going to correct myself, policies matter more than speaking but if you can speak, your policies come out in a way which relates to the people much better.
Mar 18 2008 7:11PM
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J_Walk
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Dude, he accomplished a fucken shitload as a leader (nothing good) so your proving his point yes hitler was a great speaker and set fuel throughout his nation and the nazis were such passionate patriots, Hitlers speaking ability motivated his people almost dominating the world.
Mar 18 2008 7:12PM
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pmills
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then why even bother posting? yes hitler was a good speaker, and he did a great job leading germany down into the moral abyss your point fails to find relevence to what i said


Yes -- being a great speaker doesn't automatically qualify you to be a great leader, but it's not an attribute to hold against someone whos going to be a leader
Mar 18 2008 7:12PM
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whattheshit
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maybe, maybe not, maybe fuck yourself.
Mar 18 2008 7:16PM
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KRASHED
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Thanks for that post, I just wasted my time debating with an idiot.
Mar 18 2008 7:18PM
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derbski
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ahhhh get carter out of there
Mar 18 2008 7:22PM
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pmills
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evidence such as being a persistent advocate of human rights and social justice, as well as persuing disease prevention and peace programs, and being a winner of the nobel peace prize, i wont.

Mar 18 2008 7:38PM
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PhaedeD
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SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 18 2008 7:58PM
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Skierguy1234
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You cannot be a great leader if you are not a great speaker.
people cannot railly around someone who is studdering and looks like an idiot while trying to adress a very serious issue.  it becomes very distracting.
try to name one great leader, who wasn't a great speaker.
Mar 18 2008 8:14PM
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J_Walk
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hmm this reminds me of someone... lol (i think you were already intending who im thinking of)
Mar 18 2008 8:18PM
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PhaedeD
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who fuckin cares either way the dude is almost out of office and obama is a FUCKING joke.
Mar 18 2008 8:27PM
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Reptar.
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You can see me claiming it right now, if obama is elected president, he will be assassinated.
Mar 18 2008 8:35PM
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KRASHED
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Ya that's what i've been predicting also, there's such a deep rooted anti black movement in the south so I fear for the dude.
Mar 18 2008 8:42PM
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Skierguy1234
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how is Obama a joke?
who are you for?
Mar 18 2008 8:44PM
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Reptar.
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well its just plain history, there was one president who wasn't a W.A.S.P. and that was our friend JFK, and we all know how that turned out.
Mar 18 2008 8:50PM
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KRASHED
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I'm not up on my American history, what's a W.A.S.P?
Mar 18 2008 8:53PM
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Skierguy1234
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White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
Mar 18 2008 8:55PM
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Nico_G
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your a fuckin joke, Im surprised that your wannabe black ass isnt supportin the nig for president.
Mar 18 2008 9:09PM
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PhaedeD
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i am a joke. why the fuck dont you read about obama learn the fucking truth about the guy and then talk to me. learn about the people he associates himself with. communists, people that blow up the pentagon and nyc police station, people that steal millions of dollars in real estate deals, and that fuckin pastor of his jesus. then go and learn about all the shit he has done, start by going to www.obamatruth.com or whatever that site is.

wanna be black bahaha how so?? I mean i did grow up in a household full of black people so maybe that rubbed off on me a little bit, dont come on here pretending like you know me and you know what you are talking about. you are prolly just another 18 year old kid that thinks he knows what life is and what politics are.
Mar 18 2008 10:03PM
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PhaedeD
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btw you are the one with NWA in your favorite music lol, that means niggas with attitude which means basically it should be listened to by black people only.
Mar 18 2008 10:05PM
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breckfreeskier
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maybe they realized they were doomed from the start. Or they finally just sobered up and realized he dropped the race
Mar 18 2008 10:53PM
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pmills
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just because the websight has "truth" in its url doesnt mean that what you read there is actual fact
Mar 18 2008 10:54PM
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Parkboy
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Obama's membership in his church is no more an endorsement of Wright's distorted views than is a Catholic's membership in his/her church an endorsement of child molestation.

sorry kid, but your little "association" argument is pure naivete.

and if you buy into the whole "Obama is a Terrorist" fear mongering bullshit, all I can say is. wow...

I don't know why I argue the neanderthals on here.
Mar 18 2008 11:11PM
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Parkboy
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Mar 18 2008 11:19PM
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Parkboy
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you accuse others, and then you refer to information from a smear website. i don't need to make you look like an idiot. you do it yourself.
Mar 18 2008 11:20PM
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PhaedeD
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you think you know shit you dont. obama is not a terrorist he was friends with one. obamas tax shit is retarded if you know anyone that has a small business they wont once he is elected. i mean the guy did real estate deals with that rezko idiot then rezko gave him money for his campaign then obama tried to play it off like he didnt know rezko was a fraud.
Mar 18 2008 11:32PM
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PhaedeD
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oh and its real cool to have people fake faint at your speeches that is fuckin gnnarrllyy!!
Mar 18 2008 11:33PM
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Parkboy
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"You think you know shit you don't"

wow, what an intelligent comeback

And really Obama isn't a terrorist? Thanks for reassuring me Mr. All Knowing and All Wise, I wasn't sure.

As for you're Rezko argument, you insist upon bringing up yet another smear story trying to draw a far line to mischaracterize his position and portray him as some sort of criminal. Bottom line, he never did anything illegal with Rezko, don't come back and argue me saying he did, if he did he would be under indictment with Rezko. And donations made by Rezko to his campaign were donated to charity.

You're beating the bush on a dead issue.

The arguments you give sound like the typical unfounded bullshit that the Clinton campaign spreads.
Mar 19 2008 12:06AM
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3ski6guy0
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OBAMA FOR LIFE
Mar 19 2008 12:20AM
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skiminnesota
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you say this like its a bad thing?  












jokes jokes,
"yea capitalism" 
Mar 19 2008 12:30AM
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PhaedeD
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i dont like clinton i dont listen to shit she has to say. Smear story ya maybe it is, but really it just shows the kind of people that he keeps close to him. if you hung out with a bunch of preps i would think you are prep if you hung out with pot heads i would figure you are a pot head. obama hangs out with an ex terrorist, dude who makes illegal real estate transactions, a communist, a pastor that is basically anti american. i dont like obama i dont like hillary and i dont like mccain. u can find dirt on all of them. im just saying that maybe it is a smear story but it just shows the kind of person he is and i mean come on people fake fainting at your rallies that is just stupid.
Mar 19 2008 12:43AM
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[tightpants]
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Very true. While some good speakers can be bad leaders, there are no bad speakers that can be good leaders. Being a good speaker doesn't automatically make someone a good leader, but it is a requirement. I respect Obama a lot for his talent as a speaker and his command of language, but it isn't the only reason that I'm going to vote for him. His policies are what attracted me to him as a candidate in the first place, but if he was a bad speaker that would have turned me away. I would never vote for someone like Bush who can hardly formulate a coherent sentence.
Mar 19 2008 12:52AM
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skier_boy26
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Are you fucking serious?
I had no intention on really saying anything, but here's where you're very wrong. The whole Catholic molestation thing is a private issue, that being that they don't go before the congregation and say to have sex with boys. In fact, they would probably say the opposite. Are some of those people criminal hypocrites? Yes, yes they are. Also, many have lost their jobs.

Now with Obama, he chooses that particular church. Not to mention his pastor is the person who is like the teacher, the mediator, between them and their god. He preaches a philosophy of race, and by and large, hate. Once again, this is something that is happening now, openly, and has been for some time, and Obama chooses to be there, as if he, too, agrees with the philosophy. It would seem asinine for such large amounts of people to attend a congregation where they didn't believe what they are being taught. If you had the same thing going on with say McCain, you would have the NAACP on their ass or something.
Mar 19 2008 1:03AM
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PhaedeD
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^exactly.

what i am trying to say Sir Parkboy is that you reflect the people you associate yourself with. like i said before if you hangout with a crew full of pot heads i am just going to assume u smoke a bunch of weed, maybe you dont but 99% of people that dont know will think you do. the people you are friends with directly reflects on you as a person.
Mar 19 2008 1:15AM
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IcePointa
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sarcasm

Aint be no BLACK man in the WHITE house on my watch

/sarcasm
Mar 19 2008 1:15AM
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