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Esoteric Agenda: amazing video everyone should see

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IcePointa
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This is probably the best compilation of information I have ever seen on the internet. The last bit is AMAZING. We really are alot more than we give ourselves credit for, and certainly more than some would have us believe. I think this video just blew my mind.

Mar 11 2008 7:05AM
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IcePointa
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WATCH IT. I guarantee you won't regret it, and that it is time well spent.
Mar 11 2008 1:11PM
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860
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I'll watch it tonight when I have the time
Mar 11 2008 3:53PM
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VT_scratch
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word starting it now
Mar 11 2008 4:10PM
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IcePointa
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bumpizzle fo rizzle

Mar 11 2008 7:10PM
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fourhundred
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I watched half and got bored.. I'm to young to be interested and influenced by that stuff
Mar 11 2008 7:21PM
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IcePointa
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At least watch the last 20 minutes or so as well. It does get a bit dull towards the middle with health concerns and stuff.
Mar 11 2008 7:23PM
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troublemaker3
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nice icon, and this is for my threads, dinner time
Mar 11 2008 7:23PM
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chacho
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that is fucking crazy
Mar 11 2008 9:16PM
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IcePointa
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I need to decide whether to watch this again and research it, sleep, or work on some school bullshit. I'm leaning towards 1 or 2.
Mar 11 2008 10:10PM
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Deletedtoday
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idono about that stuff its kinda confusing but really deep in thought
Mar 11 2008 10:44PM
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Luckyscs
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As much as I agree with this video, I have to say, our society is absolutly natural. This evolution into what they say in the video is away from nature is not true. It is the natural order of the world that our existance is what it is today. As unnatural as anything can be, i must be deemed natural since it has come to exist in this universe.

"nature changes the environment every day of our lives - why shouldn't we change it? We're part of nature."
Mar 11 2008 11:04PM
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samskisalot
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it presents some VERY interesting ideas and theories. i'm not really sure what to make of it all though. it could all be just fallacies. but it all could just as easily be truths. and it could, and probably is biased by the creator. Very interesting and thought provoking. I was not disappointed.
Mar 12 2008 1:07AM
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pmills
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Mar 12 2008 9:03AM
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COskier
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If round about logic like that convinces you of anything, I could probably convince you of anything.
Mar 12 2008 1:22PM
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ihatemyscratches
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to those of you who became disinterested before watching the entire thing: i'm not going to preach to you or act superior, but you are really missing out on some very simple and easily understood wisdom that is presented towards the end of the film based on earlier information that is discussed. To those who have yet to view it, the agenda of the film is to promote thought and feeling, nothing more, no pussy liberal bullshit or conservative lies. Thank you to the original poster for sharing this film.
Mar 12 2008 2:18PM
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KZA
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I used to believe this, but i'm taking a us economic history class and basically our government was founded with those beliefs. It really is pretty sad, when it first started i think like 90% of the government was millionaires. The rich have controlled this government since the begining. Even the decleration of independece was made to appeal to the middle class just so they could pass it and have something to enable them to hold their power. im not tryin to argue but it really is depressing how our government is motivated by money and power only basically.
Mar 12 2008 2:44PM
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John.
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I'm sorry, I went into this with a completely open mind but after about 42 minutes this is so ridiculous I don't know if I can finish. You're going to have to do more than flash a never-ending montage of corporate logos, police brutality, and ancient gods while playing ominous music to convince me that the people in power are really trying to create one world religion and kill off 5 and a half BILLION people!

As far as I have watched, most of their "facts" have turned out to be simply false or twisted in a way to suit the movie's claims. They mostly spew out a bunch of random facts that don't have any connectivity. I need some sources where these "facts" are coming from, because it takes about a minute on Google to prove many of them wrong. Example: The word "Israel" does not come from a combination of Isis, Ra, and El. (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Israel)

George Bush Jr. is 13th cousins to Queen Elizabeth and George Bush Sr. kneeled down to be knighted by that SAME Queen Elizabeth? No way! That must mean that England is still ruling the US!

And did I really just here this? I quote, "The logic is undeniable. Media in every form is put in place to make people for stupid for even keeping an open mind towards conspiracy theories. Movies, books, fairy tales, and folklore are all tools to make the average person feel insane for supporting or believing in a conspiracy." (While flashing images of Harry Potter, Star Wars, Peter Pan, and the Da Vinci Code.) Seriously? Give me a motherfucking break.
Mar 12 2008 3:31PM
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lushlaxstr
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word
Mar 12 2008 3:41PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Theres some crazy shit in this movie.
Mar 12 2008 4:21PM
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IcePointa
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I don't think anything important they are saying is false. I didn't believe the stuff about forcing the use of growth hormone and regulating vitamins as toxins but I went to the UN's codex site and sure enough its right there for anyone who cares to look at it. The major facts they present are legit, but I haven't had time to research every detail yet myself. However, you are free to draw the conclusions you wish from the facts presented.

Bush Sr. having close ties to the royal family alone doesn't mean England controls the US, thats why there are other more important facts presented to make that case.

The point the film was trying to make in the last bit of what you talk about is that those who wish to disinform people of the truth take a bit of truth and then blow it hugely out of proportion in order to make it seem rediculous. Like those reptilian versions of the illuminati conspiracy.

(BTW, if you fail to see that symbols like the names of countries can have multiple origins and meanings attached to them, and that the meanings presented to the masses are not always correct, you didn't really grasp the first 2 minutes of the movie. Believe it or not, while not widely published, he may not be the first person in the world to give Israel a connection to Isis-Ra and El (near eastern name for saturn).
Mar 12 2008 4:27PM
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RudyGarmisch
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The last part about DNA and vibrations lost me, I dont see that connection at all. Its... cool stuff to think about.

Coincidentally, after watching Wolf Creek last night while high and really getting in tune with the extreme desolation before the movie gets scary, I've decided to stop wearing my watch and try to go for two weeks without knowing the time. May be a bit difficult while here in Seattle, but I have a week of a car trip  down to death valley and Moab to lose time over. But yeah, that part in the movie about time made me sit up and listen.
Mar 12 2008 5:24PM
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John.
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Listen, I get what you're saying and I agree that there is some interesting and disturbing things in this video. I just really don't like how they are so damn sure of themselves and their wild theories.

For example, yes, of course Israel may have more than one meaning, and perhaps the Isis/Ra/El has a bit of truth to it. But this movie just says that this is absolutely where the name comes from without giving any source or considering any other possibilities. Even if that was true, so what? The Israelites lived in Egypt and Canaan, it is a known historical fact that their Yahweh god has portions of such foreign gods as El, El-Shaddai, and Baal. Humans assimilate aspects of other cultures, this is not astonishing at all.

The example that I quoted where the movie said that media is used to make people believe conspiracy theories are insane, I agree that may be true in a few select cases, such as the illiuminati reptile example you gave. But the movie showed HARRY POTTER and STAR WARS as tools that are used to "make the average person feel insane for supporting or believing in a conspiracy." They are blowing the conspiracy out of proportion that that the media blows conspiracies out of proportion. (Read it a few times, it does make sense.)

I could go on about the other inconsistencies and logical fallacies, but the main problem I have with these kinds of  movies (Zeitgeist being another example) is that they turn attention away from the real problems of the world. They are dead on in saying that the powerful people are doing everything they can to stay in power and gain as much money as possible, but it is not because of a massively intricate intertwining global conspiracy spanning history that involves everything from the Freemasons, Knights Templar, and the Illuminati to the media moguls, the UN, and Abraham Lincoln. George W. Bush didn't invade Iraq in order to celebrate a Druidic ritual of blood sacrifice, he did it for political and economical reasons. In order for humanity to progress, we need people to become educated and involved, not for everyone to realize that there is a secret movement to kill off 93% of us. They argue that "the global warming lie" is just a tool of manipulation for this Agenda 21. While we may not be positive whether humans are causing global warming, it would definitely not hurt to try and reduce waste, buy local products, and find alternative energy sources. Humans are doing a good enough job of killing each other without this global extermination effort they talk about. Instead of focusing on this conspiracy built on very sketchy theories, we should focus on real problems like AIDS, poverty, and nuclear arms, things that we can actually do something about.
Mar 12 2008 5:25PM
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RudyGarmisch
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From what you believe are the real problems of the world, sure. They believe differently, and would contest that you arent focusing on real issues. Its all about perspective.
Mar 12 2008 5:28PM
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John.
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Fair enough. But I'm going to focus on problems that I have seen the direct consequences of with my own eyes instead of a conspiracy that I have little reason to believe and even if it did somehow turn out to be true, there isn't really anything you can do about.
Mar 12 2008 5:32PM
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IcePointa
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But if you don't understand the people who might be trying to keep others in poverty, it is hard to effectively combat it. If you don't understand how fear and war might benefit some, and how governments may hold strong loyalty to a few select interests, you won't be able to effectly envision and bring about a world power structure that doesn't involve nuclear weapons, ESPECIALLY if a powerful group of people hold interest in keeping things pretty much how they are now. I'm not even going to go into AIDS.
Mar 12 2008 5:49PM
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IcePointa
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Yea I dunno about the DNA frequency stuff, but really noone knows about the intricate relationships going on at those levels at this point. Its an interesting theory to look into though. We know that something else activates DNA sequences, probably some cues from the environment, and the earths resonance vibrations would be a viable candidate maybe?
Mar 12 2008 5:54PM
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John.
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I agree completely. But I don't agree that this movie shows any of those things very well.
Mar 12 2008 5:56PM
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IcePointa
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But the point of this movie isn't to solve all the world's problems. Its to wake people up to the fact that everything isn't exactly the way you've been told it is. Once you grasp this concept and start thinking independantly and critically, decisions can be much more informed.

Its good not to blindly believe everything this video claims, but if you don't agree, instead of blindly dismissing it, at least look into the matter for yourself, cause its kind of a big deal.
Mar 12 2008 6:05PM
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IcePointa
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And the Earth's "heartbeat", the Schumann frequency, is definately speeding up. Whether the cause is human interference through technological buildup or something else, it's bound to have some kind of effect on the planet.
Mar 12 2008 6:13PM
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Yauch
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watching right now
Mar 12 2008 6:47PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Yeah, the movie didnt explain that too well. How does the Earth have a heartbeat?
Mar 12 2008 7:15PM
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IcePointa
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7.8hz is the frequency of the lowest and most powerful spectrum peak in the schumann resonances of the earth, which are low frequency harmonics in the earth's electromagnetic spectrum. But its getting faster.

It's kind of complicated, heres the wiki intro:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonance
Mar 12 2008 7:36PM
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ryankachel
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I started watching, walked away, started watching again, and then realized that it was over, i watched the whole thing, i think mainly because that dudes voice is so drawing, but there were a lot of valid points..

time well spent.
Mar 12 2008 11:22PM
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RudyGarmisch
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After reflection, I think the thing that weirded me out the most over the movie was actually the lack of an agenda. Most conspiracy theories have one. This movie hints at what they believe is happening... but after revealing what they think will occur, they really dont provide a solution to it except 'make peace with yourself'. Kinda... weird. Thinking about it tho, if something like this did in fact exist, it would be near impossible to stop the inevitable, apart from escaping from society and fleeing humanity.
Mar 13 2008 4:14AM
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anti_bunk
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i watched it and i enjoyed it.  it made me think about a lot of things.  it answered some questions and raised a few more. thanks.
Mar 16 2008 3:38AM
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VT_FLO
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starting now

Mar 16 2008 2:01PM
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VT_FLO
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im an hour through. its pretty interesting

ive resolved not to drink tap water.

but do you think that destroying indeginous peoples cultures and ways of surviving off the land throughout the entire world could have been part of this?

Mar 16 2008 3:06PM
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east_toast
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it realy lost me, whats the point? The world is going to end? or some oganization will kill us all?
Mar 16 2008 3:45PM
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VT_FLO
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i'll finish the rest later
Mar 16 2008 3:46PM
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VT_FLO
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bump
Mar 16 2008 7:25PM
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illy
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way too long and the concepts are too deep for me to understand
Mar 16 2008 7:50PM
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IcePointa
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I haven't been able to find anything thats actually a lie. I'm gonna go look for that UN document that says billions of people are going to die because of that legislation. I don't really see how they could still be openly supporting it if that was the case, but more retarded things have happened.
Mar 19 2008 10:50PM
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Abc567def
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pretty interesting but long though
Mar 19 2008 11:04PM
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Steezasaurus
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Whoa
Mar 19 2008 11:39PM
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mothaeast
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I think a lot of people take the wrong ideas from this movie. Too many of you are seeing it as a depiction and dictation of truth, and that it is attacking other dictations of truth. While this is what is easiest to see and think about, I believe the message here is to really just think for oneself, and to take in all information presented and make your own conclusions. The whole bit at the end, which really blew me away, seems to say that it is most important to enlighten oneself through understanding, and not through understanding someone else's beliefs, but by firmly believing your own conclusions. So really this video isn't meant to attack anyone, but it is to help everybody come closer with oneself and ones own being ans spiritual sense.

Needless to say I found this video amazing, some parts hard to believe for me and some easier to believe, but nonetheless amazing.

The only thing I could think of at the end is how badly I want to eat some Cubensis and let my inner mind take over and process what I just saw, and get that magical feeling of being closer to the entire network of the world. I've only gotten that hard of a trip once and it was one of the most profound and fascinating experiences in my life. After getting kicked out of my friend's house mid trip, lying in the back seat of my car at 3 in the morning, I felt like I was one with everything, and I truly understood what the fuck was going on around, but I didn't really know why or how I understood it. It was a really really powerful experience, and anyone who has been there can easily relate.
Mar 20 2008 1:15AM
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gmack24
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seem's a little ridiculous...but not to be selfish, but none the less, none of this will be accomplished in our lifetimes, so live your live's to the fullest.
Mar 20 2008 2:28AM
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VT_FLO
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how many grams did you eat?
Apr 4 2008 6:32PM
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VT_FLO
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because im thinking of bumping up to 4-4.5 gs next time i do them
Apr 4 2008 6:33PM
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connoroh
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this needs a bump.
Feb 11 2009 1:16AM
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