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Benedetto.
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so i was reading this little tiny article in the newspaper today and it just didn't make sense. it said that some guy almost got the death pentaly for murdering a women that was pregnant. it didn't specify how along she was or much details much this sparks an interesting question. how come abortion is legal within like three months if killing a mother thats pregnant counts as a double murder. wtf man?

btw, i'm not for abortion but i do believe in the death pentaly
Feb 28 2008 9:11PM
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ECGove
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an abortion is when the mother doesn't want to have the baby, so murdering a mother that wants to have the baby counts as two deaths i guess
Feb 28 2008 9:17PM
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Benedetto.
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so its not murder if you don't want it. makes no sense. only in rape scenario's, i see abortion fit
Feb 28 2008 9:21PM
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ECGove
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well i guess if a chick doesn't want a kid growing inside of her than its up to her the decide wether to abort it or not
Feb 28 2008 9:25PM
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Benedetto.
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also up to her if she wants to have sex. i know shit happens but when you have sex, you take that risk. you learn that in 6th grade health class
Feb 28 2008 9:27PM
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snwbrdmilf
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^ Yeah, we all know that. But every situation is different.
Feb 28 2008 9:30PM
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aaron.ebner
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maybe that guy didn't want the baby either, so he aborted it...... that's just f'd up.

Feb 28 2008 9:37PM
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milena.
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we just learned about this in my child psych class. in washington, at 36 weeks a baby is legally  considered a life because it can survive on its own. so since the mom was 36 weeks pregnant or more, it was considered a double homicide. you can get an abortion all throughout a pregnancy (at least in wa) but once the baby is legally viable you have to go to court and prove that the child or the mom's life is seriously at risk because otherwise they could just do a c-section and have a live kid.
Feb 28 2008 10:30PM
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snwbrdmilf
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Well IMO I think that's fucked up. 36 weeks is just considered full term. A baby can survive before that, it just needs constant medical attention. If a girl is say, 20 weeks along, which is half of her pregnancy, and she decides she doesn't want that baby, then she should carry it to full term and give it up for adoption. That "thing" inside of her still has a heartbeat, and organs, and is actually developing.
Feb 28 2008 10:36PM
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colin13
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i have concluded that there is no conclusion on this topic,
we cant completely define what a life is or the rights it should have without pushing someone else out of the picture.
Feb 28 2008 10:40PM
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ghosfacekilla
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how can you be pro LIFE but support the DEATH penalty
Feb 28 2008 10:41PM
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ThaLorax
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so is it up to her to have sex if she gets raped and becomes pregnant?
Feb 29 2008 12:23AM
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Nicholas.
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because he sees a baby's life as innocent where as he sees a murder's life not worthy of being allowed because you have to do some fucked up shit to get the death penalty? maybe stop listening to immortal technique.....
Feb 29 2008 12:36AM
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uni-corn
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This took place in my town area.

Funny story though. My mom wanted to take my dog to the park for a hike, and he got all freaked out when they arrive. He never does that so it is reallllyyy weird. My mom then decides to take him to another one to calm him down.

Later that day the body is discovered. In the park they went to first.
Feb 29 2008 12:42AM
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skiminnesota
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the baby, has never made a choice.  the whack job who kills, in the most sadistic ways, made his choice.
Feb 29 2008 12:51AM
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breckfreeskier
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That is pretty intense. Dogs are smart like that
Feb 29 2008 12:57AM
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jimmychung
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i forget the term, but it's not double murder that was committed here, it was technically an abortion performed by someone who is not an abortionist. this is a felony, and because the mother died during the course of the felony, it's automatic murder I and up to the jury whether or not the death penalty is in order.
Feb 29 2008 2:51AM
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uni-corn
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He isnt though
Feb 29 2008 8:49AM
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Benedetto.
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you know how fucked up that is to say? so kids like me arent around. you don't know me what so ever.

and so getting fixed is killing a baby. maybe it can't live on its own but its still a baby. yes its a biological process but your wrong, IT IS a baby.

yes the father can walk away but thats where child support comes in. altered=murder
Feb 29 2008 11:50AM
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Benedetto.
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i said up there that i believe that is an exception. learn to read
Feb 29 2008 11:51AM
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Benedetto.
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i don't know the full process my heart but i know they have a brain and start to breathe within a few months. that makes it a living thing. it should have rights too. don't want the baby? there are many family's who would love to adopt a white baby
Feb 29 2008 4:31PM
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triebby
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agreed
Feb 29 2008 5:08PM
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yelsel
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thank you drew ;)
Feb 29 2008 5:13PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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I had a priest explain the Episcopal church's stance on abortion once. He said abortion should only be used in extreme circumstances like rape or when it will seriously destroy the lives of both the mother and child. It should never be used as a form of birth control.

The worst thing about this debate is that pro life people seem to think that pro choice means pro abortion or EVERY pregnancy should be aborted. I think late term abortions are wrong but early on in the pregnancy I think they're an option for someone who really shouldn't have a child. Laws should probably be made that require counseling to help the girl make a decision she probably shouldn't make on her own.
Feb 29 2008 5:21PM
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Benedetto.
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i don't think i have the right either but i would tell the girl, we fucked up. don't write a check your ass cant cash
Feb 29 2008 5:53PM
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skeedle
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so
basically its only the womans fault if she get pregnant??

Feb 29 2008 6:51PM
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beer.
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don't post
Feb 29 2008 7:14PM
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ThaLorax
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how the hell am i supposed to infer that from your retarted statement of "i know shit happens"
Feb 29 2008 8:49PM
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cmeriptahoe
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Up toward the top someone said that a 36 week old baby is legally considered a life because it can survive on its own. While I don't doubt the fact that that is a law I find this ridiculous.  A 36 week old baby can't survive on its own any better than a 28 week old.  A baby needs constant attention. It needs to be fed. It's not like it pops out of the womb and can go hunt for food.  That is such a bad measure of life. I just wanted to say that. It really has nothing to do with the abortion debate. I am pro-choice by the way.
Feb 29 2008 11:37PM
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skiminnesota
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wow, did i seriously just read that?..........   yeah i did!                      speaking from the view point of, my sister is adopted, 4 out of 6 of my cousins are adopted.          
o yeah, my sister is white, her birth dad was Brazilian(not an issue) only one of my cousins is white, i have 2 from china,  and one  native American cousin..  

so rethink your statement, any baby is adoptable.           
Mar 1 2008 1:07AM
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skiminnesota
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i think the issue is a bit deeper than this... but for the most part i would agree with this statement..
Mar 1 2008 9:20PM
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Benedetto.
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because uhhh when you get raped, the girl didn't choose to have sex so why should she have the baby...?
Mar 2 2008 7:22PM
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Benedetto.
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uh no basically i mean that in general so don't assume thats what i meant. its both the choice of the male and female to have sex. unfortunally, sex may have negative effects but you know that going in. expect in rape situations
Mar 2 2008 7:25PM
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jeremy.g
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first its not a baby its a cell your just getting rid off. if thats a baby u should go to jail for scratching ur arm which makes thousands of cells fall off. and second it should always be the choice of a women. every sitiuation is going to be different. can u imagine the phsycological, emotional, and social effects of a 16 year old girl having to raise a child?
Mar 2 2008 7:44PM
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Yauch
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Mar 2 2008 8:00PM
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Benedetto.
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doesn't matter what any of you say, i'm not going to change my opinion.

/endthread
Mar 2 2008 8:03PM
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Yauch
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just cause you have sex doesnt mean you want babies, who knows what if a girl got raped by brad pitt or something and decided to keep the baby
Mar 2 2008 8:04PM
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DANETRON
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So your saying that 12 people should have the right to end some ones life if they all want to but if someone doesnt want to have a kid growing inside of them and then experiance a painful birth/cesarian(sp) they should be forced to have the kid. Not to mention the emotional consequences of an adoption on both the child and mother an adoption would have.

And i like immortal technique

Mar 2 2008 8:06PM
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Dan.
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its still "a living thing" according to you. Try passing a kidney stone and then tell a woman she HAS to give birth.
sidenote, because i watched juno a few days ago.. "Fetuses have fingernails!"
Mar 2 2008 8:09PM
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Benedetto.
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it makes me a piece of shit because i have an opinion. LOL.
Mar 4 2008 7:13PM
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Dan.
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It makes you a piece of shit because you won't listen to a logical, well thought out argument and instead stick to your own unfounded thoughts without basis
Mar 4 2008 7:29PM
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Benedetto.
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i'm listening but don't agree. my basis is my religion and how i was brought up. unfoudned thoughts? wtf?
Mar 4 2008 8:26PM
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Benedetto.
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Mar 4 2008 10:02PM
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Benedetto.
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i don't think my religion says that. i think that.
Mar 4 2008 11:39PM
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Benedetto.
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you got a big mouth man, if i saw you in person, you wouldn't talk shit. thats the funny part
Mar 5 2008 12:57AM
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Benedetto.
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bum fuck new york? hahahahaha. you really are a funny guy. come through anytime

Mar 5 2008 7:08PM
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Yauch
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your mother would have aborted you if you didnt sneak your way into her asshole to dodge the coathanger
Mar 5 2008 9:47PM
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