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1080ski
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i have some '06 AR6's, and the bindings have ripped out twice on them. the shop said that i need a ski that has a stronger topsheet (helping the bindings stay in) or a stronger core material (at least something underfoot, like some type of plate). so i have some questions for you, but first u gotta know this:

im 6'2, 190 lbs, and ski 80% park, 20% all mountain, and i live in the east. sometimes i tend to go big on jumps and when i fall, my bindings cant rip out of my skis every damn day.

what are some good skis that are strong underfoot, and should keep the bindings in well? i have no desire to go back to armada, and would prefer NOT to go back to them. so, what are some solid skis?
Jan 13 2008 7:35PM
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BEARS.
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1. maybe its the binders?
2. atomic is burly.
Jan 13 2008 7:36PM
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1080ski
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i am considering the bindings (markers, sadly), and im getting new bindings as well, so feel free to reccomend those. im tending towards a look/rossi binding.

im gonna probably get new skis though, because my skis are getting pretty worn down
Jan 13 2008 7:39PM
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Alex_G
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Dude, its probably the shop trying to cover its ass for a shitty mounting job. Armada makes a really solid product and i have the AR6s from the same year and have never come close to having the same problem you do.
Jan 13 2008 7:45PM
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Capurnicus
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hmmm, i've never had any issues on my many armadas and i ride binders with a tight pattern (more likely to rip). have them throw some coils and epoxy on that shit.
Jan 13 2008 7:45PM
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1080ski
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thats what i thought, and i wont be going back there again, but i didnt buy the skis from they (so i cant get a new pair out of them) and they have mounted them twice, the second being an inch up from the first (this was because the hole stripped the first time they came out).

how much do you weigh and how hard do you throw down?? just trying to see if were at the same level skiing and weight
Jan 13 2008 7:55PM
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PaulWall
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you being big as fuck might have something to do with the problem too.   ha. but I've riden armada for 5 years now and nothin bad has ever happened to any of my several pairs. and I ride all park.

some people just have poopy luck with some companies. But armada is legit. I ride them, and look p12jib.
Jan 13 2008 7:55PM
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DieHardskiier
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my friend had the same thing happen to his pipe cleaners...
Jan 13 2008 8:02PM
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quebecfreestyler
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6.1 and 190 aint big as fuck. a tall

   how high is your din??
 o you land backseat or face first alot ???
check out who mounted them . you can get helicoils but seriously it aint really better with that.

wich size are your boots??
 maybe a bigger size boots can have more leverage and  the last screws of the heelpiece out of the best place to munt the binding (weaker material)
Jan 13 2008 8:03PM
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1080ski
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dins around 11
i usually land centered, sometimes a little forward (landing switch), but both times a toe peice has gotten ripped out
the people who mounted them are legit (at least for racing) but dont do much freestyle skis
my boots are big, i think around 28.5 cm
Jan 13 2008 8:14PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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that just sounds like a shitty mount, not that the core is too weak. they probably over tightened the screws when they mounted them
Jan 13 2008 8:22PM
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1080ski
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well either way, what are some solid skis i can get for the end of this season, or maybe the start of the new season?
Jan 13 2008 10:41PM
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Roy
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Im 5' 10" and 200 pounds, I ski mostly park, and if I can pow. My park sticks are currently 181 Rossi FS's. I ski super hard on them, I use them for urban (stairs open), tons of rails, and because my park's jumps are like 20 feet on a really really good day I tend to shoot to the flats more then a few times an hour and with the landings here (I'm from Thunder Bay, Ont) made of ice that could rival concrete (you can honstly skate on it with skates). So I garuntee you with the way I use them coupled with my weight I am confident that with your description you will deff have no problems with them. Bonus is with the WRS system they're light too.
Jan 14 2008 12:56AM
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AngryFromBend
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that shop just sucks at mounting.
Jan 14 2008 1:03AM
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skier_boy26
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that's what it sounds like.

Armada park skis are usually pretty solid with keeping bindings in. The year I had my AR5s, I lost like 100" of edge, but never did my bindings even think about coming out.
But when I had PEs, they ripped out 4 times (3 times in one ski, once in another) plus a couple friends ripped theirs out, too. So it seemed pretty much ski/company related.

As for a potentially good ski for 80% park...

Trouble Maker
Scratch ghetto
Something by Atomic, maybe scott
addict or addict pro
Jan 14 2008 1:07AM
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Alex_G
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I am about 5'7 160 and I throw like 3's off medium-large booters and am working on 5's and I can 270 on/off and am working on pretzels so i have been falling a bit and I still have no problem with them. I am using rossignol axial 2 (or something like that) bindings.
Jan 14 2008 1:37AM
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1080ski
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how are the Solomons this year? there skis are pretty sick but im not sure how good they are for my problem
Jan 14 2008 7:47AM
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hippystinx
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i was having the same problem with my telemark bindings on a pair of foam core skis, there are only 4 screws to hold the binding in...i got them heli coiled then they pulled out....so i just talked to my local telemark shop and they suggested t-nuting....which is a bolt from the base to the binding, which is basically bolting the binding to the ski....since then i have yet to break the binding, and i have abused these skis.  the downside is that it supposibly affects the speed of your bases but if you ski park mostly it isnt that big of a deal
Jan 14 2008 8:10AM
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skidemon22
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hahahaha, r u an idiot? spped is everthing in the park. if anyhting it wouldnt matter in powder becasue the snow is to soft/ fresh that there isnt a lot of friction coefficient. and that just sounds like a bad idea for real skiing. bolts throught the bottom of the base, psshh...
Jan 14 2008 11:21AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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sucks that your tech cant mount bindings.

more than likely... right screws, wrong drill. sorry homes.
Jan 14 2008 11:36AM
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skiblandford
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rossi
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Jan 14 2008 11:59AM
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khyber.pass
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you ran a BOLT through the CORE of your SKI .. ? sounds like bad for structural integrity to me. maybe necessary for hardcore tele/s but otherwise... bad bad bad. the bolt is going to catch on rails, boxes, etc. i wouldn't want that shit!
Jan 14 2008 12:03PM
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jessew
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you actually can t-nut a ski and have it be fine for skiing rails etc... if it's done right, you mount the t-nut into the base deep enough that it can covered with a solid patch of ptex, and once it's ground down it's the exact same planed surface as the rest of your base... not recommended though as it will damage the structural integrity of the whole ski...

we've had some of the same issues come to us regarding Armadas getting bindings ripping out - we only mount Armadas with a 3.5mm bit even though the recommendation is for a 4.1mm bit... 4.1mm bits are only used for a ski with a sheet of metal in them, and when you drill a metal ski, you tap the hole too... if you drill an Armada (which has NO metal), and then tap it, you're creating a huge drill bit hole for no reason... the shop was probably just going by the recommendation and using the 4.1, but they should have realized that there was no metal in the ski when drilling it and not tapped it... may not be what happened, but it's a good possibility...

~Jesse
Jan 14 2008 2:54PM
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VT_scratch
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if ur gonna get new skis, you should try to get those warrantied, then sell them thennn get new skis so u dont need to dish out so much dough.
Jan 14 2008 3:00PM
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1080ski
Posts: 4424 - Karma: 191
yea i shot em an email


anybody have salomon thrusters, spk's, or dumonts? how do you like em?
Jan 14 2008 5:53PM
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skiing_monkeys
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  i ski amplid ski's, love em to bits but they have really soft core's and get the same problem you have with the AR6's. i duno if you can get anyone to do it in the US but in europe we 'doctor' the skis. take a drill and an a oval drill bit (not common but easy to get online) and drill out the normal binding pattern, make the oval you have drilled out big enough to than drop snowboard binding inserts in and twist them 90 degree's (sometimes you need to sharpen up the edges of the insert so it twists easy), this will give you a wider surface area under the top sheet. then glue in place with epoxy. mount your bindings and go forth to ride with trust.
Jan 14 2008 6:54PM
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*baer
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The shop should have been able to heli-coil the first set of holes. If you rip a heli-coil out you are ripping part of the ski out as well. I would look at a set of Salomon STH-16 bindings and put them on a Dumont, Wall, Jon Olsen or a pair of movements. Being 6'2" and 190 I would definetly be putting you on something atleast 179 cm long. I have been on all of movements skis and they are solid as hell, just like the rest of those skis. They all have a hard wood core, however so does the armada, thats why they recommend mounting with a 4.1 bit. I however always mount with a 3.6 on armadas. If you want to try something that is a little wider underfoot the nordica enforcer is more than enough ski for you. Id even give that a try.
Jan 14 2008 11:19PM
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titsLOL
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i've been ripping bindings out of my ar6s like it's goin out of style. 3 of the 4 binding pieces have ripped out in the last two weeks or so.
Jan 14 2008 11:29PM
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