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SkiWashington
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Anybody know anything about these? I've looked into them a little but i can't find many reviews. They seem like they'd be pretty cool, with the magna-traction and those squiggly edges.

www.lib-tech.com  go to products then NAS (narrow ass snowboards)
Jan 8 2008 3:01AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I have a pair of the purple ones from last year, the fatties. I'm waiting to put in a review cause I want to demo a pair of comparable dimensioned/flex skis and see if the wavy edge really does something, but I can give you a little intro.

Light. Stiff as shit. Topsheet chips like a mofo. Bit weird going switch, but could be because I'm used to cruising around on my Madens, which arent centered like this pair. Without poles they are fun as fuck, I was leaning so far over on a carve yesterday I was doing double hand drags. A fun ski for sure, but I'm fairly certain the Magnetraction is just a gimmick, and even if it did work, not worth the price. Only reason I have mine is cause I snagged em cheap.
Jan 8 2008 3:39AM
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Silence
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Haven't skied the NAS, but Magnetraction definitely works on their snowboards
Jan 8 2008 3:47AM
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quebecfreestyler
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to tell you the truth, I'd like to test the magnetraction snowboards more then the skis.
I've been skiing with skis with detuned edges for the past 4 years without much troubles but I cant snowboard without decent edges.
Jan 8 2008 4:12AM
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0123456789
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can you tune tehm? or is that what magnetraction does? if not what is it ?
Jan 8 2008 7:04AM
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SkiWashington
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i'm  not sure exactly what magnatraction is but i know that on the skis they have a wavy edges, instead of a straight line. this gives more contact points with the snow so it makes ice feel like pow or something like that...
i kinda like the idea, and kinda want a pair, but i'm not sure i wanna buy them with no other reviews or anything. too risky
Jan 8 2008 10:16AM
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Ace3+4
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doesn'T it give you lkess contact with the snow??
Jan 8 2008 10:30AM
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shithawks
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get em thats what i want to get next year they look so sick
Jan 8 2008 10:33AM
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chazz.
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one of the selling points of them is you are supposed to be able to detune them like a mother and still ski awesome becuase of how the edges are in contact with the ski somehow...
Jan 8 2008 10:38AM
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RudyGarmisch
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The idea behind it is that with a normal ski or board, when you are on edge, the majority of your weight is right underfoot, and distributes itself out less and less as you go to the tip or tail. Magnetraction, or the  wavy edge, breaks that up and distributes your weight further out to the tip and tail, creating more stability and better grip on edge.

Again, I cant wait to compare this ski with another similar un-wavy one when our mountain does its demo day.
Jan 8 2008 11:32AM
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A_T_K
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i hope they come out with some sort of reverse cambered NAS POW series next year i'd definitely get a pair.
Jan 8 2008 11:48AM
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CooksCorner
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Sort of.

On any ski or board there are two "contact points" near the tip and tail respectively. These points of contact are generated by the ski's camber. Thus the primary contact points in a carve are both in front and behind the foot of the rider,  mechanically extending rider input to a much larger (and thus more stable) surface area.

Magnetraction increases the number of contact points by creating wavy protrusions in the sidecut. Instead of contact points on only the tip and tail as generated by the camber, the magnetraction concept generates contact points underfoot by extending "teeth" away from the sidewall in the form of a wavy radius sidecut.

Its not about pressure displacement so much as its about building teeth into a side cut. If traditional skis are akin to a straight bladed knife, Lib Tech argues that Magnetraction behaves like a serrated knife on the snow pack.

I've heard it works pretty good, and saw some dude riding one of their rockered boards with magnetraction and boosting out of an icy pipe...so maybe it does work.

I know NS doesn't take kindly to racer refereences, but they really do know how to turn better than anyone on the mountain. So as  soon as I see World Cup racers with magnetraction I'll buy in, but until then im gonna suspend my judgment as to whether magnetraction is the future or just another tangent.
Jan 8 2008 11:58AM
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wellpreparedrare
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nice post
Jan 8 2008 12:57PM
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chazz.
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nicer post

Jan 8 2008 12:58PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Haha, thanks for setting me straight, I shouldnt have fully trusted that shop dude. Yeah, I really wanna try these in the pipe, but our mountain is still being lazy...
Jan 8 2008 10:22PM
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ShreddingthaGnar
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Then your prayers have been answered. A buddy of mine's brother builds lib skis and boards in Sequim, he got to go scope out the whole factory and next year's lineup

Banana Technology + N.A.S.= sex
Jan 8 2008 10:27PM
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JesseWest
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i have the 08 fatties. ridiculously heavy but sooo powerful. just plows through everything. the edges really feel no different than any other ski. everyones freaking out about the waves. the only difference i can tell is hella good edge hold on ice.
Jan 8 2008 10:33PM
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SkiWashington
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aight so sounds like if it works like its supposed to it would be sick. i dont think i'd buy them without demoing them first, and i got no idea anywhere that would have it for demo...
Jan 8 2008 11:35PM
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Alex_thedroog
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I really want to get a pair of the fatty's

they look soooo fun.
Jan 8 2008 11:38PM
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shibby
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Most boarders who ride Magnetraction swear by it. I don't see why people here find it so hard to believe it works. If I ever get a more all-mountain board I'll probably try to get Magnetraction on it. Btw, I also heard the edges are copper (softer metal) so that they'll flex/bend instead of snap. Kind of cool if it's true.
Jan 8 2008 11:45PM
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B.Snow
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I have heard only good things about magnatraction and I'm dying to try it out
Jan 9 2008 12:00AM
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meltonsnow
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i just bought some park series 176's, but dont know where to mount em.  on every other park ski i always go center, but on these the center bump of the magne traction is way far back from center, so i was thinking, would that jeopardize the point of the magne traction at all?

Jan 9 2008 12:12AM
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SHastatahoe
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Mount them center.
Jan 9 2008 3:24AM
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alaskakid
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No! mount recomended
Jan 9 2008 3:34AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I mounted my purple ones center. Tip dive in pow (expected), but man, fun as shit on everything else. I'd do center man, the stiffness in the tail lets you pop like a mofo.
Jan 9 2008 4:02AM
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SHastatahoe
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Jea, especially if you bought the park specific ski. 
Jan 9 2008 4:11AM
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alaskakid
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Wouldn't that be working against the magnatraction?
Jan 9 2008 4:24AM
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SHastatahoe
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Have you ever seen magnatraction?
Jan 9 2008 4:47AM
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alaskakid
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Why yes. At our shop they had 1 ski. And...?
What I'm saying is does not mounting recomended work against the bumps in the skis edges? Its a legit question...
Jan 9 2008 4:52AM
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SHastatahoe
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No, because the bumps are equally spaced down the ski. 
Jan 9 2008 4:55AM
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Calb3rt
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i dont think the positionof where the bindings are mounted in relation to where the magnetraction is affects how they ride. i think channings are center mounted
Jan 9 2008 4:58AM
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meltonsnow
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i asked mike wilson one day at boreal and he said to go 1 1/2 inches back, but i think for his style of riding thats probably better.
Jan 9 2008 5:04AM
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meltonsnow
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on the park series ones there r only three that are under  boot..?
Jan 9 2008 5:25AM
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SkiWashington
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ahhh damn you all. now the question is for next year- chronics or lib tech park ski... shitty i cant decide lol
Jan 9 2008 10:42AM
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BUMP
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yeah the lib techs and lines are very similar in the side cut. they both ride alot like a snowboard.
Jan 9 2008 10:46AM
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