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Born or choose to be gay?

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Nine_Milla_Killa
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The whole 'born gay, or choose to be gay' debate is ridiculous.
Think about it this way. I HATE cooked carrots. I hate them more than anything, they make me gag. Now is that my choice? Or was I born like that? I have never ever liked cooked carrots. EVER. I didn't wake up one morning and say, 'ooh, I hate those damn orange things, they are gross.' I tried them and didn't like the taste. Maybe that's what being gay is like. Yes they choose to be with people of the same sex, but it's because they were born with a distaste for the opposite sex.
There is no 'gey gene' just like there is no 'cooked carrot gene'.
Unless you have a cock in your ass that you don't want, shut the Hell up and stop whinning like a little pussy.
And as for the whole religious point of view, it is as inconsequential in this case as the question of how the Earth was created.
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Sep 18 2003 12:27AM
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Pipe_Munky
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freezy says it's immoral for two guys to be together like that but im pretty sure likes the girl on girl porn action! what's that tell ya?







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Sep 21 2003 10:42PM
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rebel
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The point was not that I like small boobies. The point was that different people a attracted to different things, but nobody really chooes what turns them on.
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Sep 21 2003 11:39PM
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linejibber550 chose to be gay





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Sep 21 2003 11:41PM
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TheProfitSkier
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def born that way. i know some gay shit and he said he hated gays but now he is one. he is so gay. he tried to lick my brother
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Sep 22 2003 12:06AM
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to voice my opinion i think gays are an embarresment of mankind and should not be able to marrie eachother because i dont want know damn gay couples being my next door neighbor or going on their honey moons when im on vacation somewhere damn its just gross.. and ill have to say that liberalists make me sick and should go suck the freinds dick cuz their gay as fuck as well

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Sep 22 2003 12:14AM
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petek
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i believe that gay marriage offends people, simply because marriage is, in our society, a holy act. Since it is a holy act, than how can people create a holy act, when sodomy is the way to get there. Instead of the term marriage, shouldnt there be a compromise like the term 'union'? same benefits as marriage, but it doesnt totally offend fanatics.
Do you think that some1 can just say, 'OK, i'm gay, i will have sex with the first man i see, because i am so tired of women.' Have you met any1 that got gay like that? I have a few gay friends man, i get along with em fine, me being heterosexual. Have you ever felt an urge to fuck some guys brains out? If so, then chances are you are gay, or bi. Its all about whom you are attracted to. Of course, you can force ureself to fuck a guy, or if you are gay, fuck a girl, but that doesnt make you homo or heterosexual.



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Sep 22 2003 1:56AM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Freezy, you are retarded.

'2. It's a choice. No research to date has found ANY evidence pointing to a 'gay gene'.'
-Read my very first post. Of course there is no such gene. You don't choose what you like or dislike, there are no gene factors in preferences.

'3.No other species on Earth engages in such activity.'
-Almost every single species that has been studied on earth has recorded homosexual tendencies.

'4. It's immoral. God destroyed Sodom and Gommmorah. Perhaps San Francisco is next.'
-Is it immoral to love and to be afforded equal rights? God also thinks that you should go to Hell if you are of a different religion. I don't think my muslim friend is any different or more evil than you or me.

'5. It's gross...two guys with eachother like that? Disgusting.'
-Grow up. A girl sucking on a man's penis is gross too if you think about it.

'6. They want extra rights. Everybody has equal rights in the US....why do the gays deserve more? THEY DON'T.'
-What extra rights do they want??? People who are married have different rights than people who aren't. Why can't they have them?

Be my guest and answer my questions Freezy, or anyone else please.

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Sep 22 2003 4:23AM
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666
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haha god hahah yeh like god will come and distroy san fansisco, u know maybe god should start with the real sinners, like say HITLER or POL POT, your god doesent do shit.
Sep 22 2003 6:14AM
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GOD = a false idol created by men in order to following rules that a SINGLE person finds to be appropriate.
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Sep 22 2003 6:43AM
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Astomp
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ive never seen a chimp getting on a chimp. that would be wierd. but in legally blonde 2 there are gay dogs. its quite funny actually.
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Sep 22 2003 7:14AM
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whanker56
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all of you people yelling HOMOPHOBES...do you even know what that means??? it means 'fear of homosexuals' just because you are opposed to something doesnt mean that you are afraid of it.
Freeze makes a great point, you hit the nail on the head

Sep 22 2003 11:16PM
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whanker56
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'2. It's a choice. No research to date has found ANY evidence pointing to a 'gay gene'.'
-Read my very first post. Of course there is no such gene. You don't choose what you like or dislike, there are no gene factors in preferences. ---HOW TRUE--ALTHOUGH EVEN IF IT IS A GENE, DOES THAT MAKE IT ANY MORE NORMAL THAN OTHER GENES, LIKE CYSTIC FIBROSIS, MUSCULAR DYSTOPHY, ARE THOSE NORMAL?

'3.No other species on Earth engages in such activity.'
-Almost every single species that has been studied on earth has recorded homosexual tendencies.--SOME ANIMALS ALSO EAT THEIR YOUNG, DOES THAT MEAN THAT PARENTS SHOULD EAT THEIR KIDS?

'4. It's immoral. God destroyed Sodom and Gommmorah. Perhaps San Francisco is next.'
-Is it immoral to love and to be afforded equal rights? God also thinks that you should go to Hell if you are of a different religion. I don't think my muslim friend is any different or more evil than you or me.--IT IS MORALLY WRONG TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL, IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE, IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THE BIBLE, THAT IS OK...THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.---IF YOU'RE LIVING LIKE THERE IS NO GOD, YOU'D BETTER BE RIGHT!

'5. It's gross...two guys with eachother like that? Disgusting.'
-Grow up. A girl sucking on a man's penis is gross too if you think about it.--THIS IS NOT A GOOD ARGUEMENT-DROP IT

'6. They want extra rights. Everybody has equal rights in the US....why do the gays deserve more? THEY DON'T.'
-What extra rights do they want??? People who are married have different rights than people who aren't. Why can't they have them?--THE ACTUAL DEFFINITION OF MARRAIGE IS A HOLY COVENANT BETWEEN
A MAN AND A WOMAN, HOMOSEXUALS ARE TRYING TO GET THAT CHANGED, PURELY SO THEY GET TAX EXEMPTIONS AND OTHER RIGHTS ALONG THOSE LINES.
Be my guest and answer my questions Freezy, or anyone else please.

Sep 22 2003 11:40PM
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petek
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whanker, there are so many places the bible can go wrong, it was written and translated by man, not god. Is it even slightly possible for there to be an error? Therefore, dont RELY on anything the bible says as solid proof, because than you are not only ignorant, than you are revoking the rights of non-christian minorities. In the bible God destroyed sodom because he was ass-raped there, OF COURSE HES GONNA BURN IT TO THE GROUND, HE IS GOD!!!!! Another point, it is neither a breach of the 10 commandments or a 7 deadly sins to sodom.
2. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ANIMALS EATING THERE YOUNG!?!?!!?!? The species wouldnt get very far if that was the case, where the hell did u come up with that? There is an instinct the vast majority of animals have that prohibits them from canabalism.
If it is a disorder, than SO WHAT?!?!? Does this mean we must result in infringing there rights as citizens, and taxpayers of our country? Just because ure born with a gentic disease doesnt make you any less of a person, so you just totally contradicted yourself.
you are also a hypocrite, we are all homophobes, even us who defend there positions? What the bloody hell are you talking about? If anything YOU are the one that is a homophobe, its quite simple, so far u have managed to imply insults in almost all of the criteria you have established. I also believe that you are just freezy trying to get some1 else to back ureself up. 7 posts, and at least 2 of them are in here?



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Sep 22 2003 11:57PM
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icecreamsandwich
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whanker....you piss me off.


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Sep 23 2003 12:12AM
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mikee
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WHat the fuck freezy? DO you guys judge whats morally right or wrong by what the bible says? Because if so you are pathetic. I can understand if you follow it and agree with it, but dont say that something is right or wrong because the bible says it is. You should be smart and secure enough to create your own morals, not let someone else make them for you. If your morals coincide with those the bible preaches then be my guest, follow them, but if not dont let your morals be created for you. Also, someone said that if I dont believe in god I better hope Im right? WHAT THE FUCK? You better hope your right too or you sure as fuck wont be happy on your deathbed realising you were wrong and wasted your life followinga blind cause that led nowhere. Wont you? And also, freezy you say that animals eat their babies...as a response to the fact that some are gay... Thta is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It is completely irrelevant... You just proved our point, that it isnt a choice. We werent saying that it was right...thats not the discussion, we are asking if its a choice... And if its not, then god fucked up didnt he?

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Sep 23 2003 12:43AM
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1212j5j5
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oh, and i chose to be gay ;)
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Sep 23 2003 12:52AM
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icecreamsandwich
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^ haha thank you. watch out now....you might get hated by the bible lovers.


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Sep 23 2003 12:58AM
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The_Razors_Edge
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fags, rags.. they ryme, get it? go with the flow is my advice
Sep 23 2003 1:07AM
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petek
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another point to bring up is simply, why do you think that reason for homosexuality is either black or white? Many of you assumed that if its not a choice, its a gene. WTF, there are many reasons that contribute to it, i'm saying that choice isnt one of them. I think it was NMK who hit the nail on the head when he said that it can also be your upbringing.



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Sep 23 2003 1:23AM
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coz
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see, i disagree with the thinking that your upbringing has anything to do with it.

to present an analogy, i was raised catholic. my mom dragged me to church week upon week, until i simply refused to go. just because i was indoctrinated to believe in god doesn't mean i will go on and actually live the catholic life. now, i acknowledge that this is a somewhat weak analogy, but it can be seen that simply growing up in a certain environment doesn't correlate with following the norms of such an environment. there are too many outside factors and stimulus contributing to a person's tendencies.
Sep 23 2003 2:28AM
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1212j5j5
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masturbating furiously to gay porn and having anal sex with my best frend named harry doesnt make me gay right?
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Sep 23 2003 2:31AM
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petek
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its a good point coz, however do you still believe in god?



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Sep 23 2003 2:36AM
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Astomp
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if homosexuality was a gene wouldnt it wipe itself out? after do'in someone in the rumpus it doesnt make babies. and guys cant have babies. so i dont think its a gene.
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Sep 23 2003 3:14AM
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guys just say they're gay to attract 'fag hags' -girls that are fascinated by and want to convert homosexual men. the bonus is you get to wear makeup and still hit on girls. hey whatever works.

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Sep 23 2003 3:19AM
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mikee
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Um its not a gene, its just an imbalance of horomones at conception. I read that in a published, ligitimate book on the subject.

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Sep 23 2003 4:55AM
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coz
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i don't believe in any sort of god.
Sep 23 2003 2:21PM
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ski2824
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It's defenitly a choice made by somone who has had events in their life that made them seek alternatives.
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Sep 23 2003 3:21PM
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crashidy
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just something else to think about..if there is a gay gene and we can blame gayness on genes calling it ok. Why is it that they don't say hate is gene related? Shouldn't it be ok to hate certain people or certain things? Are these gene related? People will term it what they want but really i would go with the fact that it is mainly hormone related as well as choice. i will not disagree with it being genetic. But hey, why can't everything else be blamed on gene's too?
Sep 23 2003 10:06PM
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petek
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a massive amount of peoples hate comes from there upbringing and life experience. A boy/girl isnt born racist, or anything like that. And MikeE is right, what i tried to say in the beginning, however it not only occurs at conception, but perhaps a traumatic experience could create changes in hormones reaction to pheromones. So far that is the most scientific idea presented in this maze of opinions.



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Sep 24 2003 1:38AM
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whanker56
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'you are also a hypocrite, we are all homophobes, even us who defend there positions? What the bloody hell are you talking about? If anything YOU are the one that is a homophobe, its quite simple, so far u have managed to imply insults in almost all of the criteria you have established.'
---I wish you would come up with a point here, you say i am a we are all homophobes, yet you call me a homophobe. obviously you STILL dont understand what a homophobe is...oh well, its a lost cause.

I also believe that you are just freezy trying to get some1 else to back ureself up. 7 posts, and at least 2 of them are in here?--the reason two of my posts are in here, is cuz i this is an issue i feel strongly about (i dont spend alot of time online, so i only reply sometimes)

Sep 25 2003 3:04PM
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SLTskier: there are so many girls in freeskiing now have you noticed that
stowek2: yep..theres a few skilled ones...a good number who love it and want to progress, then a bunch of morons that are trying to impress the boys by wearing as little clothing as possible and as much make-up as possible on the hill
SLTskier: yeah however im one that trys to progress and impress the boys :-)

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Sep 25 2003 7:41PM
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Rogge
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def. born...nobody wakes up in the morning and says, 'hey fellas i think today im going to be a fag!'
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Sep 25 2003 7:51PM
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west
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although there is no foraml research on the excistance of a 'gay gene' there has been many specific traits in the genome that are commonly found in homosexuals.




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Sep 25 2003 8:12PM
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petek
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A homophobe is a greek term meaning fear of homosexuals. And i called you a hypocrite because you called people who defended the homosexual position homophobes(obviously you are by the responses you gave). Its not that difficult to figure out man, and if it is, maybe you shouldnt be contributing because that proves your incompetence.
And if you want the definition of a hypocrite, than its someone who says something under false pretenses.
Saying homosexuality is a choice clearly stereotypes gays. If its a choice, than it looks as if they dont give a damn about the feelings of christians, and other people offended by this practice. Plus isnt it a LOT harder to find another gay guy you are attracted to, than a woman(almost 10;1)
If you want to know how attraction works, its simple. Say a female with larger breasts, and good shape has more progesterone and estrogen, also meaning she is more fertile.(shape is directly proportional to fertility). through the armpits, she releases an amount of pheromones to attract males. The pheromones are directly related to the fertility, which is directly related to shape, which is directly related to hormones. The pheromones enter through the nose. A male has something similar going on, and when he sees the woman, his testosterone reacts with the pheromones and begins a feedback loop creating more testosterone, and more pheromones. The woman, with her estrogen reacting to the male hormones also generates a feedback loop creating more estrogen and progesterone, creating more pheromones. When we see some1 attractive on TV or in a picture, than because of a conditioned response begin to create more of these hormones, because our brains are tricked into thinking there is actually a member of the oppsite sex in front of us. With homosexuals, they are attracted to the male pheromones if they are male, and female pheromones if they are a woman. So there you have it, the simplest way. Well anyways this is what countless tests have established. With lesbians, they sometimes have massive amounts of testosterone, making them look like guys, whereas estrogen is a less physically empowering hormone, it still creates a feminate mentality.
See, its not like my psychology, sociology, and biology education was for nothing.



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Sep 25 2003 10:08PM
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FreshCoast
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Petek, I no nothing on the subject of horomones and such, but what goes on with bisexuals?

And personally I wonder, does it really matter if someone is homosexual because its choice, upbringing, a disease, they were just born that way or whatever the reason may be? Homosexuals are people too, and that is something we all need to accept. How come they cannot be married? The bible? What about the seperation of church and state? Why should the US Government be enforcing Christian morals?
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Sep 25 2003 11:12PM
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petek
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bisexuals are kinda different. Its more of a psychological thing, like intense obsession with sex. Theres also kind of a theory that there hormones are kind of deformed that they react with both types of pheromones.



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Sep 25 2003 11:15PM
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whanker56
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look back at my posts petek, did i ever call anyone a homophobe?? i didnt think so...i denied being one, and defined what it meant, but never called anyone one. (and likewise, i dont know much about what you are talking about so i cant reply on that one(the hormone stuff))
Sep 26 2003 2:31AM
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jismontheslopes
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My friend knew this one guy that was pretty religious in the christian fate and he said that he was attracted to men and not to women but he didnt do anything about his feeling and chooses to be single his whole life because of his religion.
Sep 26 2003 5:38AM
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coz
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you rule petek
Sep 26 2003 9:26AM
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stixonmtholly
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Lead your life the way you want, I doubt any one on ns has had a personal sit down with the creator of our universe and discussed this and many other important issues. Personally I think something happens to you that causes this. I know only a few people that are gay(men and women) and they all had something go arye when they where young(the men I know all where tamatized by either their dad or a priest when young) (the women where raped or abused by dad or boys in the area and never received the proper help to over come it). Touchy subject, I guess when we die we'll see how it all turns out. Not much sense in arguing about it.


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Sep 26 2003 4:48PM
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icecreamsandwich
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^ i also know people who are gay (girls and boys) they never had anything tramatic happen to them..its just something they had always felt.


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