I have never had boots that fit my foot perfectly,so for my new pair I plan on doing it correctly, I went to a boot fitter and they told me that the shell was the correct size and that my toes should be touching the front and then they pull away when I get into the "skiing position" so the boots I tried on fit perfectly, accept my toes were sort of jammed up against the front, not to the point where they curl but pushed pretty hard, I know that they will pack out but I guess I am just wondering if that means that they fit properly or they are too small, also they have intuition liners if that matters with the whole heat molding process and packing out and whatnot