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ST33ZY_MC_steez
Posts: 110 - Karma: 15

Hey i am a very solid skier only skied park for about two years i have a pretty good list of rotations, grabs, rails etc. but i need help with my butters and pretzels on rails i am on 04 volkl karma's if it helps.

Dec 12 2007 12:27AM
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CKpolicy
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what do you expect people to say here? a step by step how to of butters and pretzels? just pracitce
Dec 12 2007 12:28AM
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Ryanvdonk
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scissor them pretzels, and make sure you're looking back up the rail in the direction you plan to spin. you'll just have to figure butters out for yourself.
Dec 12 2007 12:31AM
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tjski
Posts: 5859 - Karma: 44
for butters just lean like a mo facky and to get on rails do the same and pop out of it, i truthfully have never nose buttered onto a rail but i have tailbuttered and i think same thing would go w/ nose.
Dec 12 2007 12:35AM
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CTD
Posts: 6300 - Karma: 348
The key to good butters: detune the fuck outta your tips. on my park skis, all the edge under the binding is detuned to hell, transitioning into about a foot of severely beveled (but pretty sharp) edge through the nose and tail of the ski. from there on out  (about the last foot of the ski), the edge is just as detuned as underfoot.

having the tips fully detuned (and beveled as well), keeps them from hooking up when you press onto the tips.

also, since your skis are 3 years old, they should be pretty damn broken in by now. usually, karmas are pretty stiff, but at that stage in thier life, they should be pretty buttery
Dec 12 2007 12:47AM
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rusteezee
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you cant pretzel with 04 volkls. trust me i know. you may want to buy new skis.
Dec 12 2007 12:48AM
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ST33ZY_MC_steez
Posts: 110 - Karma: 15
my father said this time next year he'll get me a pair from this year so we dont gotta spend so much loot on skis
Dec 12 2007 1:04AM
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ST33ZY_MC_steez
Posts: 110 - Karma: 15
thank you for the butter tip, never thought about that before ECS you were more helpful than LUCKY
Dec 12 2007 1:06AM
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tjski
Posts: 5859 - Karma: 44
dont worry about rusteezee he is just fuckin w/ ya. but a lighter and softer pair of skis would be a better ski for you to butter with and they are easier to throw around in the park.
Dec 12 2007 1:12AM
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noodle
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i keep my tips sharp to intentionally get my tips to hook.  its way easier for me to set a rotation that way.  
Dec 12 2007 3:11AM
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THEFUNK
Posts: 13 - Karma: 10
what are you talking about? you can pretzel any twin tip you want... if you can grind it you can pretzel it, its just a unatural spin out! its just another skill that takes practice, hop on, get low gorrila steeze and sissor to stop your rotation on then lead the rotation off with your head after giving some pop, actually on rails i find its more just lifting your skis up and off rather than pushing off cause that causes more friction and makes you stick. good luck.
Dec 12 2007 9:17AM
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Ryanvdonk
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it's actually not true, i butter just fine with sharp tips, and can't really see that helping much, as you have more control with your butters if you can grip the snow. the key to butters is all about flexing the ski.
Dec 12 2007 1:33PM
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hendriab
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scissoring? what do you mean
Dec 12 2007 1:38PM
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dweezileast
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agreed, having sharp edges on your tips and tails will catch you at the end of your butter, and help you pop more
Dec 12 2007 1:43PM
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CTD
Posts: 6300 - Karma: 348
meh, whatever. i cant stand having sharp tips, they ALWAYS hook up and toss me. with dull tips its alot easier to do slower butters instead of just quick revert ones. like if your doing a nose butter 360, its like impossible to make that second 180 with sharp skis. yea, a sharp ski is great for popin around to revert, but for actual butter TRICKS, im still a big fan of detuned tips.

but to each thier own right? and to the thread starter, try either, first sharpen you edges, try them. next day, detune them abit. see what you like more.
Dec 12 2007 10:59PM
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bpalmer
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ry donk does actually butter quite nicely on his butterlicioussss skis
Dec 13 2007 3:34PM
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landonn
Posts: 2913 - Karma: 385
pretzels take skills and balls.
Dec 13 2007 3:39PM
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Ryanvdonk
Posts: 12811 - Karma: 1,971
umm, on rails. it's where you make your skis uneven to provide more grip on the rail, kinda making them take an X shape. with pretzels you may even do this more extreme by completely dropping your edge to stop your rotation on the rail.
Dec 13 2007 3:47PM
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[]Soul_Steeze[]
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take some flour, milk, and eggs and combine in a bowl and stir until you get dough

take small gobs of dough and roll it into a long strand and then weave it into a pretzel


and for buttering, just put some butter in a bowl and melt it in the microwave and pour it on your pretzel...


Dec 13 2007 4:15PM
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