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CLIMATE CHANGE !!

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east
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OK...I apologize to anyone who thinks this is stupid but if you didn't want to read it you wouldn't have opened it...and yes I know there are other threads...

Ok a few, obviously controversial points that I wanted to open for discussion....

-Climate Change, I hate using ' 'global warming', has been ongoing forever, if the Earth's climate wasn't cyclical how the hell did glaciers end up covering then retreating to present day locations in the northern hemisphere...not too mention all the other periods of glaciation in Earth's history

-Hurricanes....yes there are way more now....BUT is it just that there are way more reported because we can spy them 1000's of miles off the coast with satellite imagery?  Many of these 'hurricanes reach hurricane strength for only a few hours and are classed as hurricanes based on remote data.  How do we know (aside from land based sand deposits and other methods) that there weren't numerous hurricanes in the deep ocean in the past that are unrecorded in the geology....

-Has anyone ever showed a graph of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and concentration of life, I would love to see one.

-If you want to stop greeenhouse gas emmisons you'd better start finding ways to stop plate techtonics and convection. Yes, I hate when people neglect natural factors that contribute enourmously to climate change especially volcanos.

-Do any of you understand Milankovich Cycles, I really don't want to get on that topic but it's another 'natural' process that the propaganda lovers try to ignore....

-How many of you know that in many parts of Canada (and many other parts of the northern hemisphere) the land is actually rising.  Yes the weight of 4km of ice is gone and the land is rebounding after being depressed. So in some places relative sea level is actual falling as the land is rising faster then the sea is. This is somewhat irrelevant but brings up the topic of dumb humans living near the coastline.  What do developers and home buyers expect when they build near a beach?  Has that beach remained the same for 25/50/100years, NO.  Our coastlines are extremely dynamic, if you want a stable place to build a house that won't get destroyed by that thing called Mother Nature, don't build 20ft from the ocean....idiots....

Anyway, don't take this the wrong way.  I definitely think we need to focus on more renewable and clean enerygy.  BUT I think that as responsible scientists (AND AL GORE IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE SCIENTIST) we all need to weigh both sides of the argument.  I agree climate change is occuring, and yes it may be occuring at a more rapid rate, but remember that the way we measure today's rate is alot different then the way we measure the paleo-temp change rate.   All of this is theory, nobody was walking around with the Mammoth's and before them with the Dinasaurs measuring temperature, all we can do as scientists is make a best guess using clues tied up in ice and sunburned rocks (cosmogenic nuclieds)...

Sorry for the rant....I just wanted to lay out some other arguments that are often neglected by the media and others....

Cheers.

Dec 5 2007 2:39PM
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Valind
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How am I wrong?  There is no proof of anything.  You sir are just on the bandwagon for Global Warming. 
Dec 6 2007 4:36PM
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ElliottP
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shit.. you are right.. fuck. i hate my life, all i do is follow trends. shit. i'm gonna go masturbate and cry. then binge eat. i just got told....

oh, wait no. i look at evidence.. right. i forgot.hmm. let me guess. you also beleive jesus is gonna suck you off the ground after all the tribulations. right???
Dec 6 2007 4:38PM
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Valind
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You sound like a tool dude.  I dont care about this made up global warming shit.  Go preach somewhere else!
Dec 6 2007 4:38PM
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ElliottP
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im not the only one man. and you have preched far more than i. but you know what. i'll leave it alone. i dont have to convince anyone of anything. i beleve it, but i also beleive there are too many of people liek you to ever make a difference. so its almost not worth it.
Dec 6 2007 4:40PM
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Valind
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Thats what is so great about this world.  We can all believe in what we believe is right. 
Dec 6 2007 4:42PM
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ElliottP
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and that we can agree on. there for. with that. since it seems no one is changing they're mind. lets call this thread officially dead?
Dec 6 2007 4:43PM
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Valind
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I cant agree more!
Dec 6 2007 4:45PM
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tommihq
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Didnt read the wholeshit becaus im tired and wanna go to sleep. But anyway as far as i have been taught the amount of natural disasters hasn't grown a bit they are just easier to register because of the new technology.

        And about the CO2 levels i'd really like to see how much we've been improving since the 19th century at least from what i've read shit was really messed up then.  The factories were polluting so much more than now-a-days. So at least i see some improvement but i guess al gore didn't remember to show that in his CO2 diagrams.
Dec 6 2007 6:24PM
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skifree919
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yea i know that one is mostly predictions but still it goes back 1,000 years

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go bush!
Dec 6 2007 7:11PM
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Parkboy
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Yo COSKIBUM

Please stop spouting your mouth off, you continue to show all of us your low level of education with moronic statements such as "there is no proof of anything."  1+1 = 2 bitch.  I could prove this by using the equation 1 + x = 2.  So i'm going to try to find "x" by replacing it with a one-inch object, let's just say for example a one inch object is your penis.  Put it next to a ruler and you will easily see that if you had another 1 inch penis stacked on top of it, it would add up to 2 inches.  I just proved that to you.  I am by no means a climatologist, but I do know basic weather.  Of course temperatures affect the WEATHER.  When there are differences in surface temperatures, either the land or the ocean, it changes the pressure of the air, so if you have WARM surface temperatures, it is going to heat up the air, and we all know warm air rises, (i'm sure you want proof of this because you question everything) so, ever heard of a HOT AIR BALLOON, when air rises, it is going to lower the pressure of the air.  When that hot air rises into the earth's atmosphere it is going to eventually cool significantly (higher up in the earth's atmosphere we have colder air) if you want proof of this please stick your head out an airplane window.  when that rising air cools it is going to condense into what we call CLOUDS.  Clouds precipitate; if you want proof of this, please take time to notice that when it rains, there are clouds in the sky.  It is very difficult to understand the weather of our planet, and how it all works together, but the atmospheric circulation of air on our planet depends on the surface temperatures of the earth.  So with that correlation, we can see that deviation in surface temperatures, in turn directly effects deviation in atmospheric conditions all over the world, increasing the odds of strange weather phenomena, such as precipitation arriving in large, one time events in some places, rather than a "standard storm," and long periods without precipitation, or "droughts" in others places.
Dec 6 2007 7:52PM
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mtbakerteacher
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OK. First off to you CObum, global warming doesn't mean a rising temperature everywhere on the planet, not for awhile at least. Global warming means, like you said, a climate change. The disturbing part about global warming is how quickly it is happening. Remember, it only took a 4 degree change to end the last ice age.

Also, a misconception I would like to clear up, it's not CO2 we are worried about. It's C, or Carbon. Oxygen itself isn't a greenhouse gas. CO2 is less of a problem than almost all hydrocarbons, and humans discharge an extremely finite amount of it, relatively. A single volcanic eruption emits orders of magnitude more carbon and CO2 than man ever has, but the difference between a volcano and mankinds output is that volcanoes give the planet time to heal. Humans don't. That's why carbon emissions are on the rise.

Global warming causes extreme weather patterns, and a slight temperature increase, enough to do harm to the polar ice caps and glaciers. Why would a climate change be melting all the glaciers of the world if the mean temperature of the planet wasn't rising?
Dec 7 2007 12:26AM
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