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Shop wouldn't adjust my din for me

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Rippy087
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I just thought it was really freakin weird.  I brought my skis in and got them mounted at the shop and when I picked them up the din was set at 10.  I asked the tech to lower the din to 8 and he just said "I'm sorry but we can't do that, it's a liability issue".  Oh really?  So I just asked the guy for a screwdriver and adjusted it myself.  Just thought that was really weird.

Nov 27 2007 9:40PM
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KeithB.
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A couple of years ago a new 3+ designation was created. That may explain the extra row. I always adjust my own binders because they are my knees not the shop techs.
Nov 28 2007 6:10PM
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Silence
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^ are you referring to discretionary settings?

More info?
I'm rossi qualified but i haven't heard shit about this third row down setting
Nov 28 2007 6:33PM
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Rippy087
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very informative man, could explain everything but i seriously doubt my shop has any sort of equipment like that.  but anyways I adjusted it myself and I'm just gonna tweak it after the first day on the mountain
Nov 28 2007 6:40PM
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KeithB.
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3+ appeared a couple of years ago on our salomon charts and as an option for the customer on the worksheet. Most of the shops I have worked in use the salomon chart for all the bindings and rarely perform ASTM tests. I live out west and it is definatly more laxed than the east coast. When I lived in N.H. we would test everything and adjust accordingly. We also would refuse to set bindings at the customer request. The shop I worked for took it a step further and would not even lend you a screwdriver. I like it better out west, we will set your bindings wherever you want as long as you sign off on it. Ithink that 3+ is a universally accepted choice for every binding manufacturer now. Ask about it when you get your re-certification.

Nov 28 2007 6:51PM
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Download-My-Apps
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well, salomon and Look have different charts. But the results are normally close, like within .5 din. Keep in mind that Look, Rossignol and Dynastar are all owned by Quiksilver so they have the exact same bindings.
Atomic has crazy ass bindings but I can't remeber if they have their own chart, I think they might use the look din chart.
And as for Marker or any others, I have no idea.

If you're setting your friends bindings be careful. It's not hard to get certified and learn how to properly set bindings. But there's a little more to it than simply lining up the boot with the bindings and reading the chart. You need to be aware of the visual indicators on the bindings, which are hard to find or read, just every model has a different style of doing it.
Nov 28 2007 10:36PM
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skiminnesota
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yep i knew bout the Quicksilver thing... the other info is great, thanks!  

im always really careful to set them like .5 or .75 lower than what my marker din chart says..  
none of my friends are good at skiing and they do it strictly for fun and dont ski hard at all, so i think im pretty safe there...

my binders are adjusted by  the best ski shop in town so my knee's are safe:P
Nov 28 2007 10:55PM
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sHrEdAgE
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haha so true
Nov 28 2007 10:59PM
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PeteyG
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word 
Nov 29 2007 1:21AM
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C_Ewart
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I would go into a different shop and ask them what they think the settings should be. 

Every shop is required to do those ASTM's though,  so if they don't have the equipment, you would have room for a lawsuit for sure.  But I would hope you didn't consider that,  the ski industry is tight as it is. 

As far as keeping your settings low,  there are dangers involved in that.  So the best option is to put your settings the way they are meant to be,  and then adjust from there.



Nov 29 2007 5:46AM
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Rippy087
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nah I would never sue, but do you think I should just bump it up to 9 then?
Nov 29 2007 12:21PM
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fsscott
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wait...
din size x 10 = my weight...
6 x 10 = 160???
is that saying my din should be at 16...
...you get an eff in math...
Nov 29 2007 12:50PM
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mnjib
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yeah but sometimes when i run skis on the testing machine you need to tweet the binding settings cuz it doesnt not always match up with the numbers on the binding.
Nov 29 2007 1:35PM
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zerospinskier
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Exactly, and that's why if you look, on some rental skis there will be a piece of paper taped to them that says ".5" or some number. That means you would need to go .5 higher on the dins because the bindings have worn out, or are off for some reason.
Nov 29 2007 2:10PM
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toominator
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works slightly better if you use kg. it roughly works out for me, but obviously there are a ton of variables that it doesn't take into account and you shouldn't use it. just pointing out that the math isn't wrong, the imperial system is.

160lb = 72kg = din of 7.2
Nov 29 2007 5:46PM
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Rippy087
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if I use kilograms, my recommended din would be 8.6, which actually works out really nice.  according to the chart I should be 8.5
Nov 29 2007 9:48PM
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C_Ewart
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Well, that's a pretty cool technique,  but still not right.   Because lets say two people of the same weight, but different skier abilities, height and foot size come in to rent skis.  Are you gonna give them the same RS?
Nov 30 2007 12:26AM
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