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My EP Pros are in, now which bindings?

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Carrphotography
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Got the EP Pros, but am going nutts trying to figure out what to mount on them. 

I'm 5'11 140 lbs.  Usually ride a din of 10-11 and releases when I want, and not when I don't.

I have a pair of axial 2's that go to 12, but I'm not super stoked on them, I've literally skied out of them before.  Not sure if I'd want them on such a fat ski.  opinions? 

-STH 16s
-STH 12s?
-Scratch 140 ti
-Marker Dukes, As long as there isn't a compromise with skiing downhill (so far there doesn't appear to be), and weight appears to be the same as the STH 16, I am leaning towards this option. 

Thanks
Oct 16 2007 1:17PM
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caylorswift
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dukes are sick ofcourse if your going to be touring.

if your not gonna be touring i'd say get the jesters instead of the dukes, or the sth's  
Oct 16 2007 1:37PM
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strode
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sth 16 would be a sick nasty jealousy inducing setup, plus they'd be sexy as fuck. 

if you plan on touring with them though, get dukes obviously.

i personally wouldn't get jesters just because it's the first year of production on an entirely new binding system.  that's just me though.  both the jesters and sth weigh nothing for a 16 din binding. 
Oct 16 2007 1:47PM
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J.D.
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You weigh 140. STH 12s will be fine, in fact, better than most of those other options because they weight absolutely nothing. Hell, a Z12 from last year would do you. There's no reason to add weight to a ski that you're supposed to be able to do crazy spinny buttery things on. Get the lightest setup you can.
Oct 16 2007 1:51PM
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Carrphotography
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^ true, but I'm just a little concerned with such a light, lower din binding, you might need a little beefier binding on such a fat ski, no? 
Oct 16 2007 1:55PM
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mtsteeze406
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JESTERS or DUKES
Oct 16 2007 1:57PM
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caylorswift
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its not really the ski you have to worry about, its your knees.

j.d. is right though. you'd probably be better off with a 12, 14 would be pushing it.



Oct 16 2007 2:02PM
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joshbryant
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I put Deadbolt 614s on mine, and they're still really light.
Oct 16 2007 2:06PM
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wrenegade
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The heelpiece on the STH12 is exactly the same as on the STH16 with the exception of a 12 DIN. And its bomber as shit. It is really lightweight binding that would pretty much be perfect for someone around 140lbs. The STH16 would likely be overdoing it, perhaps if you had an extra 20-30 pounds, but since that's not the case, you might as well make the setup as light as possible.
Oct 16 2007 2:38PM
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freezed
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there's no shame in having a 12 din binding. it seems these days like people go for higher din bindings an unnecessary amount, and completely overlook great, durable 12 din bindings like the FKS 120 and perhaps STH 12.
Oct 16 2007 3:32PM
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dorikin
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That's true, which is awesome. However, the toepiece on the sth 12 is apparently identical to the z12 toepiece which, IMO, seems like one of the shittiest toepieces ever made. I  personally saw a 5'6" 140 lber demolish one of those toepieces on a really weak bail.
Oct 16 2007 3:38PM
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Carrphotography
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The STH 12's sound good to me, but I too am concerned with the toepiece on those.  I just know the STH 16's are a solid binding and I've heard otherwise regarding the Z12's.  That's why I was thinking STH 16s, wasn't planning on running a 16 din, just getting them for their durability and quality.  Are the STH 12's a good binding?  If yes, then I agree that it'd be sweet to make it a light setup.  And maybe the STH 12's are for me then! 
Oct 16 2007 4:03PM
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uni-corn
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Have you considered s914's?

They are the "higher end" salomon (more metal), pretty light, and for sure in your din range.
Oct 16 2007 4:08PM
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wrenegade
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There is no more metal in a 914 than in the 912ti. The 914 had a steel heel track instead of aluminum, but otherwise was pretty much the same. That heel track does make it a little more durable, but its nothing compared to the wormscrew heels on the STHs.
Oct 16 2007 4:12PM
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Carrphotography
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Did they stop making 914's, can't find them on backcountry.com
Oct 16 2007 4:14PM
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LC.
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Are you sure? I thought the 12 just had the 4 hole pattern not 5.

I'd say one of the new Rossi/Look 14 or 15 models would be best to go for.
Oct 16 2007 4:19PM
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Carrphotography
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BTW, according to backcountry. The STH 16, the Marker Duke, and the STH 12 all weight about the same!  They are all 2lbs and a couple ounces.  I don't think you're going to notice onces of difference.  The Z12 is the only binding in the 1 lbs range. 
Oct 16 2007 4:21PM
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DHogg
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yes, they stopped those when z12 ect were inroducted as far as im aware  

Oct 16 2007 4:24PM
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edd1e
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I got some sth12 bindings recently as I am around your size. The toe piece is way beefier than a z series and more so than a s912/914 and it has the same afd plate as the sth16 as well as the same heel. I got them over the sth16 as I run my din at around 9 and I didnt want to have to adjust toe height and the wings. Its way more solid than the z series, I wouldnt even consider the z12 as they feel so cheap but the sth12 feels bomber. your going to need an extra wide brake though as I think it comes with a 100mm brake, you'll want the 130mm. Or you could look into a tyrolia mojo 15, but finding a brake wide enough may be harder.
Oct 16 2007 4:27PM
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edd1e
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I got some sth12 bindings recently as I am around your size. The toe piece is way beefier than a z series and more so than a s912/914 and it has the same afd plate as the sth16 as well as the same heel. I got them over the sth16 as I run my din at around 9 and I didnt want to have to adjust toe height and the wings. Its way more solid than the z series, I wouldnt even consider the z12 as they feel so cheap but the sth12 feels bomber. your going to need an extra wide brake though as I think it comes with a 100mm brake, you'll want the 130mm. Or you could look into a tyrolia mojo 15, but finding a brake wide enough may be harder.
Oct 16 2007 4:28PM
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Carrphotography
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Thanks man! This helps a lot
Oct 16 2007 4:31PM
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funk.
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i have heard on numerous accounts that the z12 toe piece and the sth 12 toe piece are exactly the same.  and from the pictures they look the same.  someone correct me if i'm wrong here.
Oct 16 2007 5:15PM
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G.R.E.G.
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 yo if you want some s914s u could get the Atomic FFG 14 which is the same thing as the solly binding since atomic and salomon are both owned by the same mother company.... i know this cuz i work in a shop selling atomic skis and it also says it in Powder magazine buyers guide
Oct 16 2007 6:15PM
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cobra_commander
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It has a 5 screw pattern.
Oct 16 2007 6:19PM
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uni-corn
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The only problem about those (fks i assume) is that the screw pattern on the heel is pretty narrow. It is more likely to rip out.
Oct 16 2007 6:33PM
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Tbrody
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I'd say to put my 916's on em

want to?
Oct 16 2007 7:07PM
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BigJew
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You have to remember that most of your favourite skiers ride FKS/P18s and they don't rip out all over the place. The main downside the the FKS/P18 is the fact that the brakes aren't (easily) interchangeable, you'll have to bend them to get them on fat skis.
Oct 16 2007 7:30PM
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LC.
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No, I meant the new PX style. FKS would be good too, you just need to bend the brakes.
Oct 17 2007 4:14AM
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edd1e
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sth12 toe is not the same as the z series. it is reinforced, granted it is still plastic, but it is much stronger and it doesnt have the crappy afd plate of the z series.
Oct 17 2007 5:13AM
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titsLOL
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grrr i'm jealous. I spent a lot of time lookin at bindings for my pow skis this year and I'd go with sth 16 or fischer x17s. You should add the fischer to your list, I ended up gettin them and they are the lightest high din binding out there and feel super solid. theoretically both bindings are overkill for your weight, but you gotta go with the high din to get the durable materials....
Oct 17 2007 10:36AM
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Carrphotography
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anyone have more input on my post about the weights being about the same with all the bindings mentioned? 
Oct 17 2007 1:05PM
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P.J.S.
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'08 Salomon STH 12 Freestyle/Freeride Ski Binding
Salomon has redesigned their Lab Bindings and turned them into the all new STH Binding for extremely aggressive freestyle and freeride users. This binding is slightly lighter than that of the LAB but more importantly it has a stronger construction.

The Salomon STH Ski Binding has more durability with heel reinforcement & articulated track. The Salomon STH 12 ski binding has high lateral transmission giving more power to the edge of the ski. The STH 12 Binding also comes with the Z12 toe for a drastic reduction in weight and with Automatic Wing Adjustment you do not have to worry about the wings coming loose.

Sounds to me like it comes with the same toe as the Z series.
Oct 17 2007 1:12PM
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dorikin
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Yes, which is bad! Honestly people, the Z12 toe sucks large wiener. "The STH 12 Binding also comes with the Z12 toe for a drastic reduction in weight" ----> the drastic reduction in weight is because the damn thing is hollow, and cheap brittle plastic.
Oct 17 2007 1:29PM
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edd1e
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I worked  in a ski shop all winter and sold many z12 and z10 bindings. I also have the sth12. It has been reinforced in some shape or form compared with the z12, it just feels more solid. Also alot of z series toe pieces broke because the afd plate wasnt wide enough, this has been fixed, this info came from the salomon rep from BC. I wouldnt bother with the z series myself, but I think I will be happy with the sth12. It is still a plastic toe, but the wings feel like they are made of thicker plastic. I think there is a guy on here who works for salomon, maybe someone should ask him.
Oct 17 2007 2:05PM
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PBraunstein
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my eps just showed up and im gettin some deadbolt 816 slapped on em.. i dont know how you can go wrong with the deadbolt... 3 different bindings (412,614,816) all built pretty much identical, just with different springs... all for the same price??? (got mine for 250)... insane
Oct 17 2007 2:47PM
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Love_Wins.
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I've got Rossi axial race 140s (pivot style) and Deadbolt 816s I'm looking to unload.  Both new.  Interested in one of them?
Oct 17 2007 3:05PM
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*Koolaid*
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816s would be sick.

Oct 17 2007 3:06PM
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J.D.
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Except then your DIN is 10, minimum, where someone 140 punds probably doesn't need to go above 8.5.
Oct 17 2007 4:55PM
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Vicious
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But JD, you fail to realize the increased radness of having burly-DIN clamps!

Oct 17 2007 5:00PM
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attitashfreestyle29
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i'd go with the jester or duke because they're made for wider skis and they looks pretty burly
Oct 17 2007 5:48PM
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Carrphotography
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I made my decision.  going with the DUKE!  Here's my thought process..  I can get the STH 16's for $20 more then STH 12s, so mine as well get the 16s just for the durability, but then for $85 more than the STH 16s, I can get Dukes, so for $85 it's worth it to me to be able to do some slackcountry here and there.  Plus they seem super burly, weigh about the same as all the bindings listed here.  I have skins that are trimmed for Sir Francis Bacons, so hopefully they do the trick on EP Pros in soft snow.  I don't think the Duke's will sacrifice any skiability in normal everyday riding, but I'll have the option to do a couple laps in the backcountry when it's deep if I want to.  I don't see myself spending a whole day in the backcountry bagging peaks and skiing gnarly lines all day, but I'm dreaming more of a perfect untracked powder field to play in with fat sticks.  Only downside I can see with the Duke is it's only a 110mm brake (only haha), hopefully I can bend that to the 127mm waist, otherwise I'll have to shell out a rediculous $60 for the 130mm brake from marker. 


Oct 17 2007 7:12PM
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cobra_commander
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Having held both the sth 16 and the duke at the same time the duke is much  heavier then the sth 16.
Oct 17 2007 7:29PM
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Love_Wins.
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Total myth, bindings are designed to release consistently at every point in their range, and are tested extensively to meet specs, therefore, you can run you P18s, 816s, and 916s @ 8 and 9 with zero issues.
Oct 17 2007 9:20PM
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Carrphotography
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I disagree.  I did the same thing, and didn't notice any difference.  I placed the Dukes on a pair of EP pros, and did the same with STH 16s, and it did not feel like an unbearably heavy setup at all.  The difference between the 2 bindings is just a few ounces, you're telling me you can tell the difference of a few ounces by holding something? 
Oct 17 2007 9:50PM
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PBraunstein
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actually... the 816's range is 8-16.. 6-14... 4-12.. get it?



as for the brake problem... im glad that 4frnt offers 3 dif. brake setups... XXL is good up to 140
Oct 17 2007 10:30PM
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SGLogi
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post some pics of your EP's
i like the dukes and jesters because of the small footprint letting your ski flex more naturally
Oct 23 2007 11:12PM
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Carrphotography
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will do, won't have them until i fly back home to NY in a few weeks though.
Oct 24 2007 9:24AM
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inaba116
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Here are some. I will  be picking them up from the shop this weekend and they will have STH 12's on them.

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Oct 24 2007 10:48AM
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fatline
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That flex on that ski is crazy.  I didn't know that they flexed that much i know they are reversed rocker but  Dear lord.  A big guy like me would absolutly snap those skis.  215 six foot.  Man those look so so fun though.
Oct 24 2007 11:30AM
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Tex.
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i have these bindings, they're not bad.. if you're interested in them i have some you could check out, i live right by autumn garage, you work there dont you???
Oct 24 2007 11:43AM
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ShadyHillGroup
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ahh  i wish they stil made p14s that was such a quality binding, if you could find a pair of those i would get them, but they are hard to come across, i looked for 2 weeks couldnt find a pair so i settled with some fks155s, which are great...but they do scare me some times i wish the toe had vertical release
Oct 24 2007 12:04PM
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