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HD Ski Movies

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Itsbackfliptime
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Are any companies releasing their movies in HD this year? I know Level 1 has had an HD download in the past.

Also, in case anyone from any of the film companies sees this, why are/aren't you making an HD version of your movie available?

Oct 16 2007 4:37AM
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poofartpee
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I think MSP
Oct 16 2007 6:06AM
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Silence
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yeah MSP for sure

Oct 16 2007 6:10AM
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MrScruff
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As far as I know Realtime and Magic Moves are getting HD-DVD releases later on
Oct 16 2007 6:31AM
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Silence
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Magic Moves in HD would be epic
Oct 16 2007 6:57AM
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nothanks
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Because, you can't make a regular DVD and DVD player magically play HD Video. You need Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. You need to write to those discs (substantially more expensive) and also have most of your customers own the correct digital players.

An HD download is a good idea. Until then, shooting HD will make the footage look nice and sharp, but not "real" HD.
Oct 16 2007 9:42AM
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yeahitsdave
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lets be realistic, outside of having a ps3, how many people have have a blue-ray or hd-dvd reader?
Oct 16 2007 11:12AM
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MrScruff
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Lost & Found should be out on HDDVD soon too
Oct 16 2007 12:26PM
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jibbajabba2
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I have HD DVD.
Oct 16 2007 12:36PM
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B.Snow
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man  imagine picture this in hd!!! I watched it on my hd tv and it was fucking sick 
Oct 16 2007 1:18PM
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MrScruff
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Just dug the list out, movies on HDDVD (at least in Europe) soon:

Lost and Found
Realtime
Picture This
Apples & Oranges

If you have an Xbox 360 you can get an HDDVD player you just plug into that for under $200
Oct 16 2007 1:28PM
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JGP.
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hd is soo much nicer, ill have to figure out a way to get hd copies of some of those movies...
Oct 16 2007 1:58PM
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Jeff_Lo
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because its expensive and not enough people have HD DVD players or blu rays yet.  plus skiers complain about movies costing to much as it is.  i have an hd dvd player and a hd tv set up and i've watched SSD and Yeah Dude on it and it looks 100 percent better already.
Oct 16 2007 2:51PM
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vzdz
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i prefer a little grain look from the movies shot with film.... makes it feel more "real" to me, i dunno at times HD  always seems way saturated and too "crisp" if you know what I mean....
Oct 16 2007 2:53PM
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AhrenStein
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there is gonna be im pretty sure
Oct 16 2007 4:42PM
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bsmith01
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Ive been thinking about getting an hddvd player for my 360.  I mean its only $179 and you get like 5 free hd movies.
Oct 16 2007 4:45PM
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djty111
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it would be dope if all ski movies were at least 1080i, i dont see all the movies going 1080p soon.  DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1 should be however encoded on all movies 480p and up.

Oct 16 2007 5:16PM
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XtRemE11
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yeah i really dont see why everyone is so in love with hd.  i cant stand the look, it makes me feel like im playing a video game. film is so much better, having a totally clear extremely sharp picture isnt always a good thing.
Oct 16 2007 6:30PM
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ericman
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msp is   sick
Oct 16 2007 7:13PM
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SlickRick.
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i just found that hddvd burners cost like 3g's
Oct 16 2007 8:14PM
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seider
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on most pro hd cams you can set the grain, so its up to them how or if at all they want to put grain in.

and i do agree with you about how most movies are starting to look really crisp now, but thats how the majority of the consumers of the dvds want/like them, and if the consumers liked the 24p maybe they would start to it.

if they really wanted to make the movies look nice they would be shooting 24p. thats the way to go, it makes it look very film like, but it would be nice to have the slomos in 1080 because it will look much smoother compared to 24p in slomo.

im try out 24p this year with my new camera, and i have a feeling that it wont turn out to well, but its worth a try. if it doesnt work on the slopes it will definitly look better on urban, because 24p is best in low light.
Oct 16 2007 11:40PM
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JGP.
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yup.
Oct 16 2007 11:56PM
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[~_~]
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There is no arguing that HD looks sicker (unless you are shooting for some form of lomographic content).

But when you factor in how much it costs to shoot actual HD cameras, edit in HD, and mass produce HD DVDs, then factor in how many skier kids own a 1080p tv, HD DVD player, and HD cables, you end up with a shitload of money and work put into something that not enough people will benefit from. There is no doubt that in the future, HD will dominate and take over everything, but for now, I think this whole HD craze is a longshot.


I'll switch to HD the day my grandmother gets a 1080p tv. Until then, its film and miniDV for me.
Oct 17 2007 12:06AM
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XtRemE11
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grain from a digital camera looks like crap compared to film though.  people just hear HD and automatically freak out and think its got to be the most amazing thing.  my nerdy friend even has HD glasses cause he thinks anything hd is the best thing ever.  
Oct 17 2007 12:09AM
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seider
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i never said grain from hd cams looked good, i was just trying to tell the guy that you can add grain to hdcams, and non hd (dv), from what i know grain (i may be getting mixed up with gain) is what the camera adds when there is insufficient light, and most professional cinamotographers (sorry for bad spelling) try not to have any grain.

i know what you mean by people just buy stuff because it says it is hd. i did lots of reseach before i bought my camera, and i fough that the main reasons why i bought hd cam was because it can shoot 24p, and 60i, and its better than true hd (hd is 720 X 1080[i think] and my camera shoots 1980X 1440 [if you uncompress it propperly in post, but my computor monitor is not even 1980X1440...]) and i am gonna make a DIY 35mm adapter so i can put a 35mm still camera lens on, so i can play with the DOF
Oct 17 2007 12:30AM
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XtRemE11
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i doubt hd will ever take over film, it could definatly take over stuff like mini dv. but film still has its own awesome very unique look that hd probably can never match.
Oct 17 2007 2:25AM
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seider
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but you have to admit hd compressed down to SP (dv quiality) still looks better than just plain dv quility
Oct 17 2007 7:54AM
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seider
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i think it will in afew years (5-10), and think about all the tv channels offered in hd. but untill the majorty of people have hd tvs, film > hd (in hollywood movies)
Oct 17 2007 7:58AM
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spudz
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I did an intership for a highschool/tradeschool i went to and we used a HD cam, and I compressed it down to SD and it was literally amazing how the quality still owned the face off the DV cams, I want to upgrade, i just bought a new dv jrd 795 or somthing by JVC, but HD is so expensive and I cant afford it.
Oct 17 2007 8:44AM
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SkierX
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Bingo.

And ski movie companies especially aren't going to go spending the massive amounts of extra money to produce true high definition videos when the majority of their target audience is high school kids who bitch about the current price of movies, or broke ass college students who will be watching the video on their standard cheap ass tv.
Oct 17 2007 8:50AM
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DaLiNeRiDEr21
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some warren miller films haha
Oct 17 2007 9:49AM
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DynastarriderGP
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that and they still dont shoot in true HD considering HDV is compressed down to dv and from what i understand HVX footage isn't quite true HD footage either, i hear it's som weird ass format, i forget
Oct 17 2007 9:59AM
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dave44
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Also, it's hard to determine whether people use Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, and it's gonna be really expensive to produce both, as well as DVD's. HD movies would also cost a bomb... with DVD's costing $30-ish, HD movies would cost upwards of $50.

I'd love to watch some movies in HD format, but I'd rather companies saved their money rather than waste it on something that isn't yet 'essential' (although I wish it was)
Oct 17 2007 11:41AM
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jibsticks
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if you wanna fap to some dope HD
(If you have an HD-DVD player)
Seven Sunny Days
Oct 17 2007 11:53AM
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fresshhhh
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my hd dvd player upscales dvds to HD and it looks sick, like picture this...perfect
Oct 17 2007 11:53AM
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zylstra
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 i know what you mean. 16 mm ski films are my favorite
Oct 17 2007 6:47PM
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skodeo7
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I noticed your blog this morning. Nice entry.
Oct 17 2007 6:52PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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Level 1 is already shooting and editing in HD so there really isn't anything extra cost. I agree that an HD disc isn't a realistic decision for a small company like Level 1 because not enough people can play them for them to benefit. I do however think that there are enough people with HDTVs to make some sort of download option a good alternative.

The only problem with downloading it is the whole copyright problem. It would be nice to see Level 1 working with TotalVid to get Real Time available on the Xbox Live Marketplace sooner rather than later, but with a ski movie its something I'd prefer to buy and watch over and over instead of just rent.
Oct 17 2007 8:21PM
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bsmith01
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Im pretty sure most everyone has hd capabilities.  Both my laptop and desktop do.
Oct 17 2007 8:27PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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Most computer monitors 15 inches and above are HD capable. For 720p you need a resolution 1280 x 720. You don't need 1080p when the monitor is that small. (I honestly can't tell any difference when I'm projecting it 7 feet wide on my wall either.)

As far as file size goes. It isn't a problem on my xbox. After about 5 minutes of downloading it lets me watch the movie while it downloads in the background. Bandwidth is expensive but I doubt any film companies are going to host the files. They would more than likely use one of the services already available or some sort of p2p technology.
Oct 17 2007 8:58PM
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ski_powpow
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msp i think, im stoked to see it in HD
Oct 17 2007 9:03PM
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vzdz
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What is more expensive HD or shooting with 16mm film? I always thought HD was cheaper..
Oct 17 2007 9:32PM
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seider
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the codec for the HVX is different and i think they use P2 cards to store the video.

i wanted to find the definition about hd and this is what i found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television . So from what i read i think that HD has at least twice the linear resolution of SD.. so thats why HD looks sharper than SD, and when converted back down to SD it technecally should look the same as SD, but what i think is that the HD camera is just capeable of getting better colours, than the average SD.

 But i would like to see a  camera that can shoot HD and SD and then convert the HD to SD, and compare the compressed HD to the SD and see if there is any difference, then you would be able to tell a difference when compressing HD to SD compared to plain SD.
Oct 17 2007 9:32PM
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seider
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sorry forgot to finish the pagraph...
the HVX can also use HDV (i think).
the codec doesnt mean the footage is HD or not. and from what i know the HXV is HD.

so right now i think companies are just creating different kinds of codecs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_codec), and untill they find a codec that is best they will stick with it, and that is when i think most cameras will go hd. but untill then (while everyone is trying out different codecs) we will be finding out that "the new HD cam you just got you cant edit the footage because your editing software cant read it, untill there is an upgrade" (that has only happened afew times with some cameras and im not sure which ones.

Oct 17 2007 9:47PM
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seider
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16mm is cheaper for just the camera, while HD is more expensive for just the camera.

16mm film is more expencive then multiple ways of shooting hd (hdv, p2 cards....)

16mm film is WAY more expencive to get converted to digital, while hd is already digital and you just plug it into your computer

so when it come down to it, HD will be cheaper in the long run
Oct 17 2007 9:54PM
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joly.sp
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I hear the name alot but what is blu-ray? I'm not up to speed with thisa tech gabber.
Oct 17 2007 9:56PM
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seider
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you can kind of compare it to codecs, what goes in out the same with (almost)all codecs
Oct 17 2007 10:04PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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Just because it isn't "true HD" doesn't mean we shouldn't watch it. HD footage looks noticeably better than SD footage. Even if companies want to use film they can. Most HD TV shows with the exception of probably the discovery channel shoot on 16mm and transfer it to an HD format. I think I read that somewhere.

Oct 17 2007 10:42PM
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D*C
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Thats not exactly true.

Blu-Ray uses violet(blue) lasers in the drives to read the discs.  HD-DVD and DVDs use red lasers.  Blue/Violet light has a smaller wavelength, allowing more precise reading of the discs, which allows more data to be written and read on Blu-Ray discs.

A double layer Blu-Ray disc can hold 50gigs of data.  A double layer HD-DVD disc can only hold 30gigs of data.



Also, to those saying that they prefer the look of film to HD...

HD isn't a medium.

What you are saying is that you prefer the look of film to that of digital recording.  You can take footage on film and then transfer it into HD and onto HD format media.    HD Digital recording transfers directly onto a harddrive or a digital tape.
Oct 18 2007 12:07AM
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D*C
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Just thought I'd clarify.
Oct 18 2007 12:20AM
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dead
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then why do so many companies claim hd!?

shanghai six said it was in fucking hd. i've seen am movies say they're in hd. EVERYBODY CLAIMS HD.

is this some sort of wicked awesome selling point?

level one hd download?! what, do they have like a million terabytes of bandwidth? do i have a 32 inch 9.9 million dpi screen?

fuck.
Oct 18 2007 12:24AM
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