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Ron Paul is a whack job

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The guy wants to get rid of the FBI, CIA, IRS, wants us to withdraw from NATO and the UN. I can't belive he's doing so well in the polls, it worrys me having to look at him as a future President.
Sep 6 2007 8:17PM
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Alpine3
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yeaa hes fucking retarded.... he thinks we "had 9/11 comming to us" like we deserved it or some bullshit
Sep 6 2007 8:20PM
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-HCG-
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Getting rid of those is probably a good idea, sure they do SOME good but I'm sure he will put some other organization in place that will do the same. But really all they do right now is confiscate evidence of the 9/11 attacks, break laws, continue in some never ending "war on terrorism" and keep seldom updated lists on "dagerous terrorists". Oh yeah and they also help keep America nice and in debt, not that it could get out of it either way.
Sep 6 2007 8:22PM
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-HCG-
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Ummmm, we did have 9/11 coming to us. Ever listen to more news that Bush's presidential blabber?

go watch the Zeitgeist
Sep 6 2007 8:23PM
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skiierman
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Can't be worse than Mistah Bush.

And anyone watch his argument at the UNH debate? I was so pissed I was working and couldn't go. Our teacher said it was unscripted debating at the best.
Sep 6 2007 8:24PM
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860
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^Prepare to get hated of NS.....
Sep 6 2007 8:25PM
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860
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Woops, not you skiierman, the guy above you
Sep 6 2007 8:25PM
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Yeah, because having the CIA gather intel proventing terrorist attacks is fucking ludicrous. And the FBI? Pshh, the reg. cops can handle shit like that I'm sure. Who needs NATO and the UN? I mean, allies are overrated anyway. Saying "he will make a better organization" is stupid because no matter what happends corruption will find itself in any federal organization.
Sep 6 2007 8:25PM
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Preventing*

FUCK.
Sep 6 2007 8:26PM
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beer.
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Yeah I'd only vote for him if it was him vs. giuliani or something.
Sep 6 2007 8:27PM
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I agree, having 3,000 innocent people die because Bin Laden is angry at the U.S. having stationed soldiers in Saudi Arabia is completely justified.
Sep 6 2007 8:27PM
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-HCG-
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I didn't mean to make it sound like we deserved it, I wanted to get across that there was evidence pointing to the fact that it might happen in the near future.
Sep 6 2007 8:29PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Haha, ooooooh man, here we go...
Sep 6 2007 8:37PM
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skiierman
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Yeah because you know that online videos are SO more reliable then oh... Popular Mechanics and common sense.
Sep 6 2007 8:38PM
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dbag37
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I was thinking about making this thread but you beat me to it
Sep 6 2007 8:39PM
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freezed
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wanting change isn't the definition of a wack job. in my opinion, someone who cares about money more than people is a wack job. ron paul wants to revamp government agencies, don't you think that is warranted? how is that wacky?
Sep 6 2007 8:41PM
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Eleven
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hahahahahahaha wow the stupidity in here is intense
Sep 6 2007 8:44PM
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Eleven
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gavajbvra and alpine and dbag, none of you understand any of RP's positions and are misrepresenting them. please stop
Sep 6 2007 8:46PM
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skiierman
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Just let it sliiiideeee.... Let them think that's what he wants to do...
Sep 6 2007 8:46PM
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DaewonS
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RON PAUL '08
Sep 6 2007 8:47PM
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Change isn't always a good thing.

Getting rid of all these federal agencys means we weaken our ability to defend ourselves. He doesn't want to "revamp" it, he wants it gone. And I see no sense in leaving NATO and the UN, at all. Disbanding all our defences and getting out of alliances seems like a wacky thing to do.
Sep 6 2007 8:50PM
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skiierman
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I'm not a full supporter of Ron Paul, but dude, stop. He doesn't want that. Get edjumakated.
Sep 6 2007 8:51PM
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Yeah, I guess hearing the words come out of their mouth at a debate and then saying it over is misrepresenting?...
Sep 6 2007 8:52PM
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Eleven
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you heard him wrong. i know every word he said. that or you misunderstood him
Sep 6 2007 8:53PM
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Well, enlighten me if he truly doesn't want to dismantle the CIA, FBI, etc. and isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world.
Sep 6 2007 8:54PM
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jacqui-la-fripui
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word
Sep 6 2007 8:55PM
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Eleven
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he wants to drastically reduce the size of government, basically streamline it and cut it down, he has never said he would dismantle our intel sector, he just wants to make all of our departments more efficent. also by keeping our military out of other countries he wouldnt be isolating us, he would be improving our relations with other countries. he wants a small efficent government and a free market. what dont you understand?
Sep 6 2007 9:00PM
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Ok, well fill me in on how he plans to defend our country without a Dept. of Homeland security, etc. etc.? Surely he understands we are on "high-alert" for terrorist attacks at the moment?
Sep 6 2007 9:02PM
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jacqui-la-fripui
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you know what, the money weve wasted on the drug war for the last 50 years, if you added it all up? It would be enough to have cured cancer by now. you dont believe me check the cash register.
Sep 6 2007 9:03PM
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Eleven
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by having a smaller more efficent, less intrusive government... who the fuck says we are on high alert? fox news?
Sep 6 2007 9:05PM
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TheButterHashira
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your retarded
Sep 6 2007 9:05PM
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skiierman
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And what good has that little meter done for us? Nothing changes as the alert rises, and it has NOT once dropped to a "safe" level. It's a totally bullshit system. Don't be suckered by it.
Sep 6 2007 9:07PM
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I have no idea what you're trying to say. By having a smaller more "efficient" country suddenly we won't be a target any more?

And have you seen all the terrorist plots we've broken up? I'd say we are on high alert right now.
Sep 6 2007 9:07PM
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It's about preventing attacks, ever since 9|11 happend we have tightened our defences immensely to prevent that thing from happening again. Call me dumb, but when I read about Ron Paul it sounds like he's tearing those defences down.
Sep 6 2007 9:08PM
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skiierman
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Those are only ones that make the news. There are sooo many plots that are broken up that you will never hear about. It's been happening before 9/11 and it's no fucking suprise that it's gaining news attention now-a-days.
Sep 6 2007 9:09PM
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I know there is, but nothing as huge as 9|11 has happend since Pearl Harbor. I'd like to think I speak on behalf of the U.S. when I say I don't want it to happen again, I just have no idea how Ron Paul (if elected) would plan on defending our country.
Sep 6 2007 9:11PM
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Eleven
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if we cut our aid to israel from the billions we are currently sending to maybe 10 or 20 million that would be a start, if we recognize palestine, if we keep our troops in our country and not in germany or korea or wherever that will also help. if we set an example for the world and dont try to police that will greatly improve our image. i think a smaller government would be nice, if you think we need a shadow government that pisses on the constitution then vote for giuliani or hilary. we could have our country be airtight if our government wasnet a huge flaming beauracracy. terrorisim would be a non threat with some small changes. its already a non threat but most americans like you are scared pussies and want to give up there civil liberties so they can have a feeling that they are safe. im not.
Sep 6 2007 9:14PM
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Eleven
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i should have said its ALMOST a non threat, i think terrorisim is greatly exaggerated and i dont think its because of our freedoms or our cars, it because of our defective foreign policy.
Sep 6 2007 9:16PM
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ijibgoremtn
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this is one of the issues i would vote on if anyone wanted to legalize MJ but no one does to my knowlage so i probably will vote for someone other than hilary
Sep 6 2007 10:20PM
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You talk about nuking Iran and say our foreign policy is defective?
Sep 6 2007 10:27PM
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RudyGarmisch
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And RP's foreign policy is scarier than Bush's.
Sep 6 2007 10:31PM
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Eleven
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what the fuck?
Sep 6 2007 10:32PM
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You support nuking Iran but yet you think our foriegn policy needs reformed, is what I meant if that confused you.
Sep 6 2007 10:40PM
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comeatmebro
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i thought the title said "paul wall is a wack job" i was like wtf?!? then i figured it out, and realized i dont know enough to even start a discussion/arguement so im not.
Sep 6 2007 10:44PM
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hart62
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You are retarded, and if Ron Paul actually believes any of the the absurdities  in this thread, he is too. The CIA and FBI do much more than just act as Bush's lapdogs. You really think we actually hear about most of the stuff the CIA does? Hell no.  And, "He will put some other organization in place that will do the same." If they are doing the same thing, then why create new organizations, instead of simply fixing our current ones? And I'm sure, thanks to Ron Paul's infinite wisdom, that these new organizations will be free of the problems our current intelligence agencies have, even though they will apparently be "doing the same".
Sep 6 2007 10:50PM
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Casey
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surely you understand that "high-alert" is a fear tactic that homeland security invented, and probably has no factual basis whatsoever. In any event, his position is most definitely not, "stop preventing terrorism" you neocons are so simplistic, it drives me insane. He's saying that this agency is invasive to civil rights of american citizens, costs an absolute fortune to operate, and for these reasons, isn't that great. Should we combat terrorism? yes. Is there a better way than the current system? Of course.
Sep 6 2007 10:58PM
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Eleven
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no i fucking dont. this is such a stupid worthless thread.
Sep 6 2007 11:02PM
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TheButterHashira
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i wonder if ron paul likes IHOP?
Sep 6 2007 11:04PM
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kingarthurs
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gavabajara, its been proved that our government has been spying on us citizens. this alone makes me worry about the validity of certain government organizations. i think changes are neccesary.
Sep 6 2007 11:15PM
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fillup
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if he doesnt

he isnt american
Sep 6 2007 11:40PM
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dgcarbs
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Mike Gravel supports legalizing MJ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mike_Gravel#Drug_policy.2C_including_marijuana
Sep 6 2007 11:53PM
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