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i've got some 177 stls (white, topographic top sheet) that have a brokenish tip that i used for urban like once, they are in good shape but the tip catches everyonce in a bit and pulls your leg out a little...probably wouldn't be a big deal in the mean suburban streets. also, ive got a pair of 183 arv's with a 4frnt tnk denim top sheet that i used quite a bit for urban, not sure what shape they are in as they're in the garage and i don't want to get them right now. if you're interested i can get off my ass and give you a more detailed report, maybe even a photo or two. probably would sell them for about your price, but might have to add shipping to your tag.