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On Surface getting so much play...

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happybirthday
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I think it's funny considering where they started.
Jul 29 2007 12:52AM
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Intergalactic
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ahhahah yep they are brown
Jul 31 2007 10:47AM
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bp.lando
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but honestly what does surface have to back themselves with?

so far you've won over NS by acting "core" NS LOVES CORE! and sponsoring Slandis NS LOVES SLANDIS!

lets let the Skis do the talking, all the surfaces I saw on the hill were breaking, and you guys weren't warrantying them
Jul 31 2007 12:08PM
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Jeff_Lo
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you've been riding your todom pole pretty hard lately...

And i've been hearing somthing about and that Surface maybe decided to rent the mold 9 designed? the watch life and Mik D have the same demensions i'm thinking? idk...just an observation
Jul 31 2007 12:39PM
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ap-huhn
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as i already said they're "pale" skis and therefor surface doesn't build or design any ski
Jul 31 2007 12:43PM
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pipemasta
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i'm artsy fartsy!
Jul 31 2007 12:45PM
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bp.lando
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right, but thats the Factory, just like K2 has a factory in china, but most companies direct the factory to build a custom mold for their own skis,


i dont know if you support surface, it seems like you dont, your saying Surface just does what the factory tells them


Pale is the factory, Surface is the ski "designer"
Jul 31 2007 12:47PM
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ap-huhn
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pale doesn't tell them anything, they offer a stock ski. it's the "TT X 66 RED". you can buy it at pale. the surface watch life is the same as the TT X 66, only another topsheet
so surface designs only the topsheet, but the ski dimensions are given buy pale

link: http://www.palesport.at/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=58&Itemid=

if you want i can search pale's pricelist...

i don't want to fight surface, i think it's good to take the stock pale skis in the beginning, because it's cheaper, but i wondered if or when they start to "design" their own molds. Because it's more interesting to have a ski deisgned by skiers (surface riders) instead of a "TT X ..."
so by now, i don't think that i will buy surfaces because they aren't anything special or "artsy"
Jul 31 2007 1:13PM
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link80
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K2 owns that factory in China and runs it themselves. Thats completely different.
Jul 31 2007 1:18PM
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ap-huhn
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*topsheet and bases ;)

** buy pale is worng, meant by :D

sorry for my shitty english
Jul 31 2007 1:18PM
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bp.lando
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we are on the same page
Jul 31 2007 1:19PM
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timoski
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owned.
Jul 31 2007 1:44PM
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Schoening
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skiing is skiing.
Jul 31 2007 1:52PM
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jskiddy
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Jul 31 2007 2:19PM
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Lord.Quasimoto
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Why is everyone so stoked on surface being ownd? Way to suport your industry (sarcasm).
Jul 31 2007 2:25PM
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Lord.Quasimoto
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why do you care?
Jul 31 2007 3:15PM
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jacobski
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That pic^^ on the top of the page is a shot of makaio, the kid trying to rip on surface and powfoka for his apparel.So the kid in hand sewn tight pants is trying to clown the guy who rides in Wranglers.

Also, why does Surface bring out the all the 9thward Ohhh G's and other ignorant haters? Are you worried the new blood is a threat to your gangsteristic lifestyle? Therefore a threat to your misplaced identity in life?

OR did your parents just buy you a pair of skis other than Surface and your afraid you might be riding the wrong dick next season, cuz all the indie kids are doing it?

MALONE rides Surface, nuff said about the Stereotype.

Finally, for those who are flat out numb from the neck up, read this again:

There's a lot more to ski design that dimensions. You're forgetting where the sidecut is in relation to the running surface, what sidecuts are being used (read multiple sidecuts splined into a continous sidecut) and where they are used in the effective edge of the ski, (if multipe sidecuts are being used at all) core profile, orientation and weight of reinforecement, the type of reinforcement (fiberglass, carbon fiber, metal, combination). You can have two skis that literally come out of the same mold that ski nothing like each other based on all the other variables I've listed.




Jul 31 2007 3:27PM
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happybirthday
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This is the best reply in this whole thread.

A bunch of people who are so worried about what everyone else is riding, wearing, saying, doing...if you don't back 9 or Surface fine. Move on, don't waste all day at the computer trying to bag on them, just don't buy their products!

It's simple.
Jul 31 2007 3:31PM
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bp.lando
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let your skis speak for themselves then, and don't worry about NS' opinion

try all you want, you wont win over hearts with slander
Jul 31 2007 3:33PM
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jacobski
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Take your own advice, I notice you can't stop posting here either.
Jul 31 2007 3:36PM
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jacobski
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You just supported my point, half this thred is people trying to mock a stereotype. Oh and just don't bring up 9, Surface actually delivered skis this year.
Jul 31 2007 3:38PM
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timoski
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what i was trying to say before with my critcism/hate of surface, is that as much as we want fresh style/clthing blah blahb blah etc. we also want a fresh company with fresh ski consruction ideas -- skis that chagne the way we can ride, that open up diff possibilities. as much as weight, core type, playing with minute differenences in sidecut affect a ski,
overall the shape (dimensions/mold) and the core (weight/flex) affect 80% of how a ski skis. we have 9thward, 4frnt, armada, moment etc.

now that you have your allmtn and pow ski, try to develop some crazy ass technology that no one has ever thought of. be skiings mervin manufacturing. i thought it would be quite logical that given the breath of fresh air of your atypical steeze that maybe you gusy would apply that to your models as well. im just sayin'.
Jul 31 2007 3:56PM
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DinosaurRcool
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^^^^mervin mfg. didn't come out of the gates with a magnatraction banana board now did they. maybe you just don't know about expenses and how it takes a long time to have enough money to throw into experimental stuff
Jul 31 2007 4:07PM
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timoski
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praxis came out of the gate with a spat clone.
Jul 31 2007 4:13PM
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jacobski
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timoski, you've already been owned for trying to make that point.
Jul 31 2007 4:22PM
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nothanks
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I'm not a lover, I'm just going to play devils advocate and say no one, at least truly connected to Surface, has said their skis are god-sticks. They are a new company and have a different approach to the personality of skiing, and make a decent stick while they're at it. They're not "better" they're just a "different" company. Skiing is big enough for all of us.

This is just my take on it all. I have no real connection to any company.
Jul 31 2007 4:41PM
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nothanks
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Again devils advocate...just because it's a new image and personality that people can buy into and support, while making a pretty good ski too. The proclaimed "artsyness" is more of a joke word with everyone, on both sides of this debate.
Jul 31 2007 4:42PM
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nothanks
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As for Thward, they're doing the same type of thing too, new image, new personality, while making a good stick too. I like that. Their image might be more abrasive and rough for some people to digest. Same with Surface, some might not take to it too well either...but that's really all okay too. If we can support each other and everyone's different ideas, there is plenty of enough room for everyone to get their share and have their fun. It's when we start to eat each other alive, with senseless bickering, that's when it gets ugly. Remember, we all freeski because we love it, first and foremost. So let's do that.
Jul 31 2007 4:45PM
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Will_B
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well, im stoked on surface becuase im an artist *GASP!* i paint and draw and im currently earning my bachelors in fine art. so a company that make a solid good product AND caters to the things im into is a deffinite plus.
Jul 31 2007 5:00PM
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Will_B
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cheers my man!!

this thread can end now.
Jul 31 2007 5:01PM
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powfoka
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i guess this is the point i have been trying to make!

the more companies and styles in skiing the better for all of us!

after searching around i came to notice that nobody directly involved with surface has ever said anything negative about another company or "hated" on anybodys style.....

the reson i give my hard earned money to surface when i could get other brands for much cheaper is i believe in what they are trying to do for skiing!

no matter where theyre skis are made who rides them and what they wear surface gives kids a company to try something different...

in my opinion thats the worst thing in skiing right now is the lack of diversity rather it be skis clothing tricks styles competetions movie segments the whole way around skiing is pretty close minded! the people at surface opened my eyes and it seems like a lot of others are catching on!

thats why i support them
Jul 31 2007 5:02PM
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Will_B
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true.
Jul 31 2007 5:09PM
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timoski
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"has a very small market! "

talk to me in 3 years.
Jul 31 2007 5:45PM
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nothanks
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I think you made other people's point, right? The ski they made wasn't thought up by them, or experimented by them...it was a clone, of another well established company's ski, thought up by a rider of their's at the time and his buddies. They modified it by a centimeter or two and made it a bit more durable, that's it.
Jul 31 2007 6:53PM
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snowbladesforlife
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You rep for Surface right? I understand you need to back them, but half your posts are sucking their dick, worse than Cosco back in his 9thward days. Calm down a little bit and don't slut yourself out so hard for a company that won't ever cut you a decent check.
Jul 31 2007 7:41PM
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zaser
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how is saying ninthward sucks at business not an assumption? does anyone actually know themselves exactly what happened last season? no. and i know i'm making an assumption about surface but they have barely anything to back up that they aren't a fashion based company. if they start to build up a team of good skiers i'm sure i will think differently but most of my friends can outski all of the surface riders judging by their video footage, which i know doesn't sound legit but unless they happen to be 20x better than their footage shows they aren't anything new or creative to skiing. they are just skiers who have a different fashion sense than the norm.
Jul 31 2007 7:45PM
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timoski
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a ski that is no longer made. that was determined by the big companies not to be worth it. and praxis gets gnar points for making them in his garage.


i guess what i was trying to say is that my criticism is just that, criticism, not hate. its just one man's input. but thats what makes small companies cool, they actually listen to the consumer (many consumers). i'm not saying one, bored, irritated-by-lack-of-snow loudmouth should be able to influence a company, but i felt the NS bandwagon pulling over for surface and didn't see why (did i say i hate bandwagons/groupthink). personally i got some shit clarified and i think the way the surface dudes responded can only make people who actually read thsi thread respect them more.
Jul 31 2007 7:59PM
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iggyskier
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can this thread please just die?
Jul 31 2007 8:00PM
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the_zissou
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no. he doesn't. he just likes the brand...a lot.
Jul 31 2007 8:29PM
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snowbladesforlife
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That's scary, it must be hard for him to breathe with Surface's cock deep in it all the time. I could see if he repped them to try to sell the shit, but wow.
Jul 31 2007 8:39PM
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the_zissou
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"Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat."
- Henry Fosdick
Jul 31 2007 10:22PM
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nothanks
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Let's stop talking about proverbial cock sucking all the time. Can we grow up a touch and at least talk normally...without brand loyalty being comparable to fellatio?
Jul 31 2007 10:25PM
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snowbladesforlife
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Blow jobs are common currency and cocksucking is an allegory to life itself.
Jul 31 2007 10:40PM
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mattster
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i think it died within 3 posts
Jul 31 2007 10:48PM
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powsurfer
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Your posts are beyond worthless.
Jul 31 2007 10:50PM
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iggyskier
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someone should be another bullet in its head then, just to be sure
Jul 31 2007 10:54PM
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