here's the intelligent convo I had with one of the people involved in the company... now, as I said, this is NOT boredomguitar... he has a clue what's going on and I think he's on the right track.. this kid however, is not.
ski2wake15: whats ur problem
Melmandouble0: well lets start off with the whole thing of my friends getting bitched at when they stated their opinions.. which I felt they were entitled to
ski2wake15: what are you fucking talking about, your friends or wahtever were bitching about FSX
Melmandouble0: well.. not at first.
ski2wake15: ya man
ski2wake15: they were like FSX is gay, bitch bitch btich
Melmandouble0: they said they thought it was somewhat phisy sounding... which I thought it did too...
Melmandouble0: no no
Melmandouble0: those weren't my friends
Melmandouble0: ANYWAYS
ski2wake15: i dont really care who ur friends are
Melmandouble0: so I decided to stick up for them and be like ya know, this does sound kinda strange....
ski2wake15: im just saying, u were bitching like hell
Melmandouble0: and I'm not asking you to care
Melmandouble0: I was stating my opinion
Melmandouble0: am I entitled to that or do you want it to be communist run?
ski2wake15: communist
Melmandouble0: alright
ski2wake15: ya
ski2wake15: dammit
ski2wake15: and u got ur sig wrong
Melmandouble0: in that case, you'd never be able to do the things you said, like helping with the kids who can't afford skis, or even get a loan outta the bank
Melmandouble0: I am aware
ski2wake15: u know nothing about that shit so y dont u stop talking about u stop know nothing about
Melmandouble0: I don't?
ski2wake15: no u dont
Melmandouble0: I know a bit about marxists system of government
ski2wake15: umm..yay for you?
Melmandouble0: well don't tell me i don't know shit when I do
Melmandouble0: alright?
Melmandouble0: anyways
Melmandouble0: lets just talk about the whole FSX thing
ski2wake15: u dont know s hit
ski2wake15: how do u know we dont have a loan
Melmandouble0: I never said you ddin't
Melmandouble0: I said it sounded fishy
ski2wake15: ya u did!
Melmandouble0: where?
Melmandouble0: I spefically said i DOUBT you got one, but if you did, I feel bad for the bak that is going to loose money on this venture
ski2wake15: ok
ski2wake15: ..
ski2wake15: sure
Melmandouble0: alright
ski2wake15: so y do u hate FSX so much
ski2wake15: what have we done
Melmandouble0: nothing
Melmandouble0: that's just it
Melmandouble0: you have all this big talk, which by the way I thought soudned cool when i awas asked to help with the site a few months ago, but so far, I have seen nothing
Melmandouble0: you say you have deals with companies, but you don't produce ANY proof
ski2wake15: i dont need to prove anything to you
ski2wake15: y should i
ski2wake15: we do have connections
Melmandouble0: you might want to prove SOMETHING to the people you're trying to market this to
Melmandouble0: you know what I mean there chump?
ski2wake15: ull see when the gear comes out
Melmandouble0: and when I see it, I will believe it
Melmandouble0: and I doubt doubt you'll produce 'gear'
Melmandouble0: it's not hard to get a professional to slap a design on a t-shirt or other clothing
Melmandouble0: how tall are you by the way?
Melmandouble0: 5/5 5/6?
ski2wake15: who gives a fuck
Melmandouble0: everyone you're trying to sell to
ski2wake15: y!
ski2wake15: my heigh doesnt matter
ski2wake15: what the fuck
Melmandouble0: just wondering if we've got some nepeolean syndrome here
ski2wake15: what the fuck
Melmandouble0: sounds like you wanna take over thw rold
ski2wake15: ya, thats it
ski2wake15: damn, my covers blown
Melmandouble0: *the world
Melmandouble0: anyways
Melmandouble0: back to FSX
ski2wake15: so do u like LSP?
Melmandouble0: I ahven't looked at anything they have
Melmandouble0: and I haven't heard them running their mouths about the great company they have
ski2wake15: well people seem to like them, but what hte fuck have they done for the ski community
ski2wake15: then u arent o NS a lot
ski2wake15: they advertise so damn much
Melmandouble0: must've missed that
Melmandouble0: sorry
ski2wake15: they claim their makign a movie in the fall
ski2wake15: thats BS
Melmandouble0: which I actually believe
Melmandouble0: I've made 2 movies, working on my third
ski2wake15: how can some kids with a camcorder make a high quality movie
ski2wake15: HI QUIALITY
Melmandouble0: ask josh berman
ski2wake15: not just camera stuff
ski2wake15: its just gonna be like namer droppers or wahtever
ski2wake15: thats cheap shti
Melmandouble0: umm... ask Jeff Thomas and Matt Schwagler from Theory-3
Melmandouble0: they film with cheap digi and produce
ski2wake15: never saw i
ski2wake15: t
Melmandouble0: ask me.. hell.. I started off making shit.... and although the skiing in the mvies I make isn't MSP or PBP quality, the editing is on par with any of them.
Melmandouble0: go watch the Speschul trailer...
Melmandouble0: and tell me kids with cameras can't produce
ski2wake15: ok, all im trying to say is why is everyone bagging on FSX when LSP is doing the same thing but less
ski2wake15: they just have hoodies
ski2wake15: and are planing on making a movie
ski2wake15: well we have everything planned out alreadyu
ski2wake15: almost complete
Melmandouble0: because they aren't claiming to be able to hook people up with entrence fees OR free skis
ski2wake15: erik was full of shit the n
Melmandouble0: what they're xclaiming is shit that is possible
ski2wake15: erik admits now that was a shit idea
ski2wake15: it was his idea
ski2wake15: its not possibel
Melmandouble0: alright then
Melmandouble0: that's a big reason people were ragging on you
Melmandouble0: cause they knew it wasn't possible
Melmandouble0: and you keep saying it was
ski2wake15: i was on vacation the whole time
ski2wake15: so i had no idea what was going on
Melmandouble0: well that sucks now doesn't it?
ski2wake15: until a week later
Melmandouble0: that's fine
Melmandouble0: if you're saying it's a shitty idea, then you should be able to see why people called bullshit
ski2wake15: ya, but they dont have to bitch about it
ski2wake15: and did u send erik an email
Melmandouble0: nope
ski2wake15: srue
ski2wake15: sure
Melmandouble0: my e-mail is melman@usa.com
ski2wake15: ok..
Melmandouble0: is that where it's from?
ski2wake15: he deleted em
ski2wake15: i dunno
Melmandouble0: ask him
Melmandouble0: he knows it wasn't me
ski2wake15: oiko..
ski2wake15: ok
Melmandouble0: besides, I brought up legit points to argue about
ski2wake15: like
Melmandouble0: not bullshit flamming
ski2wake15: ya u were
Melmandouble0: most skiers have a brain and would clearly see that you're company's 'clothing line' sucks in compaision to say.... Champion? oh wait, you'll probably be buying champion t-shirts to put logos on and sell tehm off as 'your product'. Now, a lot of compnaies do this, but a lot of companies make OR deisng their own products. Here's a few examples:
Armada - Skis
4Frnt - Skis
Poniverus - all their products are hand stiched and home grown.
MSP - make ski movies
Poorboyz Wax - forumlate wax
see how all these ski companies make their own products on top of throwing desgsn on t-shirts? Also, the skeir... lame, overly used, and not very apealing.
Siver is higher priced, yes, but it's because DESIGN goes into the products. they coudl very easily go to MVP sports, but a 30 pack of colored t-shirts, get a shop to screen print on some designs and sell it for cheap, BUT THEY DON'T. wanna know the secret of why? cause it's CRAP. you're products will be CRAP. dont' try to make you're company sound all high and mighty. IT'S CRAP. now, granted, peopel have to start somewhere, btu they also have a plan of making their own products too. you cannot simply slap shit on a shirt, beanie, hoodie ETC> and call it you're own. I'm done.
ski2wake15: erik already told me that
Melmandouble0: ya
ski2wake15: ok, do u really think that LSP, 4FRNT (maybe), NS make their own fucking clothing?
ski2wake15: no!
Melmandouble0: that's the points I brought up
ski2wake15: they hire people
Melmandouble0: NO
Melmandouble0: that's what I said tho
Melmandouble0: jesus
Melmandouble0: I said they didn't
Melmandouble0: BUT they had other shit that they DID make
Melmandouble0: the clothing was just on the side
Melmandouble0: you on the other hand seem to ONLY have clothing
ski2wake15: what does LSP make now?
ski2wake15: nothing
Melmandouble0: and from what erik told me that is correct
Melmandouble0: fuck LSP
ski2wake15: i agree
Melmandouble0: LSP is bullshit.. I don't cafre about LSP
Melmandouble0: thye're making a movie.. leave it at that
ski2wake15: no htye wot
ski2wake15: wont
Melmandouble0: stop trying to use that as an arguemnt
Melmandouble0: use a compnay that's made it
ski2wake15: ok, y does it matter if we just do clothing
ski2wake15: ?
Melmandouble0: show me a company that has made it that doesn't make something of their own.
Melmandouble0: cause it's not a 'revolutionary' company if you just screen print shit
ski2wake15: ok, we dont mkae our own clothes like siver but we are making cool designs that people like
ski2wake15: for cheaper
Melmandouble0: yay
Melmandouble0: don't call it a fuking business
ski2wake15: and are you saying that NS is shit now?
Melmandouble0: you're reseller
Melmandouble0: s
Melmandouble0: ?
Melmandouble0: no
ski2wake15: u said that it is shit since we dont make it
ski2wake15: so LSP, NS, 4FRNT, and all those companies i guess are hsit too
Melmandouble0: Matt Harvey wrote the forum code ON HIS OWN.... he does al hte shit for the site
ski2wake15: im tralking about the clothing
Melmandouble0: jesus do tyou fucking read my posts?
Melmandouble0: are 4FRNT and NS based around their clothing?
ski2wake15: who cares if we are?
ski2wake15: why does it fucking matter?
Melmandouble0: it doesn't
ski2wake15: then y the hell are you whining about it!
Melmandouble0: the argument was over fucking giving 4frnt skis away and paying for admission frees
ski2wake15: thats the whole reason this was brought up
Melmandouble0: I'm not whing
Melmandouble0: you're the one who keeps bringing it up
ski2wake15: then how did the free skis and admission crap come into talking about our clothing
ski2wake15: and what we do?
Melmandouble0: umm.. becuase that's what the post was about that people argued over?
Melmandouble0: are you seriously that stupid not toknow that?
Melmandouble0: good god
ski2wake15: they argued over htre free skis thing
ski2wake15: that has absoluetly nothing to do with our clothing
Melmandouble0: they said the cmopany was bullshit
Melmandouble0: that's what this was all about
Melmandouble0: ONLY YOU AND I have talked about it being JUST clothing...
Melmandouble0: but ya, printing designs on shirts isn't that great.
Melmandouble0: if you have a company and wanna print shirts as something extra, it's fine.
Melmandouble0: cuase you have something that people respect and use.
Melmandouble0: but simply slapping designs on tshirts isn't a compnay
ski2wake15: y not
Melmandouble0: it's not
ski2wake15: were making a product
Melmandouble0: bullshit
Melmandouble0: if you did the printing yoursefl.. then yes
Melmandouble0: but what do you do?
ski2wake15: make up designs
Melmandouble0: you draaw up a design... SEND IT to someone to print it for you, get the shrits back and charge $10 for it
ski2wake15: that people like
Melmandouble0: show me proof people like them
ski2wake15: sell it for a price just a bit over what we get it for
Melmandouble0: cuase so far everyone on NS has said the designs they've seen suck
ski2wake15: ya, i bet u have no fucking idea how much it costs to make the shirts and stuff
ski2wake15: no
ski2wake15: ive talked to a lot of people
Melmandouble0: lets see... our hoodies for ski team that I designed last year cost... $25 for the hoodie and $10 for the screen printing
Melmandouble0: for a total of $35
ski2wake15: ok
ski2wake15: it costs 40 bucks for 2 screens
ski2wake15: then u gotta buy the shirts and hoodies or wahtever
Melmandouble0: I know how much it fucking costs dude
Melmandouble0: I've had plenty of shirts made up for me and friends
ski2wake15: then in the end, we are only earning about 5 dollars profit on shirts trying ot pay back what we payed for the screens
Melmandouble0: so?
ski2wake15: so we are nto earning a lot
Melmandouble0: so you're not a company
Melmandouble0: companies mke money
Melmandouble0: you're a fucking charity
ski2wake15: so, its not like we're in it to make a shit load of money
Melmandouble0: so don't try to tell me you're company is legit
ski2wake15: we arent a fucking rip off
Melmandouble0: you're kids making shirts to sell to people
Melmandouble0: there's no doubt about that.
ski2wake15: so?
ski2wake15: whats ur point
Melmandouble0: taht you're whole point of arguing that your 'company' deserves respect is wrong
ski2wake15: u gotta give us a chance
Melmandouble0: I never said I wouldnt'
Melmandouble0: I've been saying, if you can prove yourself, I'll repsect that
ski2wake15: u havent
Melmandouble0: but you have bolstered claim after claim and with no proof
Melmandouble0: ask erik
Melmandouble0: I was asked origanally to help design the site...
ski2wake15: ok, when a company says there going to make a new ski or product, wherse the proof
Melmandouble0: I dropped out cause I saw it going no where
ski2wake15: its just a rumor that goes
ski2wake15: aroudn
Melmandouble0: umm... armada, had riders on the team SKIING on teh skis before the word got out.
Melmandouble0: $frnt.. same thing
Melmandouble0: but ya.. goodngiht
ski2wake15: ok, were smart, were getting the word out first
Melmandouble0: you gotta have something to abck it up
ski2wake15: we let people know were there
ski2wake15: just wiat
ski2wake15: lates
Melmandouble0: that's WHY our fucking economy is so bad right now.. cause the DOT COMS of the 90s made claims and tehy didn't live up to it, and ebcuase of it people invested their money thinkingit'd work adn now our ecnomoy is SHIT
Melmandouble0: enjoy you're enlightenment for the night
ski2wake15: no one has invested money have they?
ski2wake15: oh ya
Melmandouble0: bank loans my friend are investemnts
Melmandouble0: dumbass
ski2wake15: u dont know wahts going on
Melmandouble0: alright
Melmandouble0: has the bank given you money yes or no?
ski2wake15: its none of your business man
ski2wake15: u dont need to know
Melmandouble0: alright then.. if yes then people have invested money
Melmandouble0: if no, then you've been lying to me and jst furthre proves my point.
Melmandouble0: good night
Melmandouble0: and shalom
ski2wake15: sheket
-Pat
WBP|films
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