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When i ski with poles (sometimes) i use my salomon's tht are cut down short enought that my arms are almost fully extended because for basically two reasons: 1 to assist with moving around in the flats, and 2 when in the lift line where i ski its not completely flat and sometimes i find myself slidding backwards or forwards and can't stop myself cause the lines are so packed in and i dont have room to spread my skiis to stop myself