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jimmychung
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Anyone who wants to support Obama for '08 should join the official Obama '08 cult! Ask for an invite.

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Jun 14 2007 11:12AM
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steezyjibber
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no
Jun 14 2007 11:15AM
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jimmychung
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oh yes indeed, this man must be our next president!
Jun 14 2007 11:19AM
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Eleven
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you should see what he has said and done for about aipac and said about a war with iran. he supports israel as strongly as any neocon. he would not get rid of the federal reserve and the income tax. he would make the government bigger which is not what we need. he has admitted to using cocaine.

please tell me why you would vote for him over Ron Paul? kucinich and gravel are better democrats then obama. i would even say edwards would be better then obama
Jun 14 2007 12:18PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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Because ron paul doesnt stand a chance. It will be obama or hillary. No matter how much I would like the lessers to win, they won't, because your vote doesn't matter. Political power is bought, not won.

Obama has the correct beliefs, but you have to compromise if you want to actually have a chance of winning. He has to swing the mainstream view and compromise to the young indies. We know his viewpoint but he's doing his best to win popular with phrases like 'We have an awesome god in the south, blah blah. We have a few gay friends in the red states, blah blah.' The man is simply playing the game.

Oh yeah, and bush was a cokehead too.
Jun 14 2007 12:43PM
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Tasche
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You should read one of his books. You don't really know anything about his politics and I don't have enough time to correct you.
Jun 14 2007 12:51PM
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smuggsVT
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i don't like him or Hillary, specificaly Hillary Click for larger image
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Jun 14 2007 12:55PM
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A_E
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the only reason you like him is casue hes black. he hasnt done shit besides have colored skin
Jun 14 2007 1:04PM
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Capt.Flannel
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that's wonderful and all, but this is an Obama thread, so if you don't want an invite, don't bother posting.

I'll take an invite.
Jun 14 2007 1:19PM
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Eleven
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ok no opposing opinions, great fucking idea
Jun 14 2007 1:42PM
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comeatmebro
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IN THE WORDS OF DAVE CHAPPELLE. HE BETTER GET A MEXICAN VICE PRESIDENT SO NOONE KILLS HIM. CAUSE IF HE GETS KILLED PACO WILL BE PRESIDENT AND THERE WILL BE MEXICANS RUNNING AROUND LIKE CRAZY.


he said something like that at least
Jun 14 2007 1:46PM
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Eleven
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he has a great chance but fucktards like you would rather have a puppet like obama. YOU DONT HAVE TO COMPROMISE!!! FUCK THAT SHIT! there is one reason that should jump out at everyone, ron paul is against the income tax, thats not his best selling point but it should be one of the most grabbing. with no income tax you would not lose tens of thousands of dollars each year from your salary. no other candidate has said they would do the same. he is agasint a bug federal government. obama isnt. he is agasint pre emptive war. obama isnt. he is against regulating the internet. obama isnt. dont support obama just because he is a democrat and bush has been a shitty republican.
Jun 14 2007 1:47PM
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Eleven
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here is a qoute from Dwight Eisenhower

"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing"



Obama,Hilary,Giuliani,Romney,Mccain and all the other candidates with the exception or Ron Paul , Kucinich and Gravel have not dismissed the idea of premptivley nuking iran. just watch the debates! they say nothing should be taken off the table when specifically asked about nuclear weapons. yet america STILL SUPPORTS THESE PEOPLE!?!?!? WHY?!?!?! zionism is key when it comes to the 08 nominees stance on israel.
Jun 14 2007 2:01PM
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Eleven
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fuck i meant iran not israel
Jun 14 2007 2:04PM
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Capt.Flannel
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This thread isn't a basis for argument, it's a gauge of support. We get it, you don't like anybody but Ron Paul.
Jun 14 2007 3:45PM
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Eleven
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no i like Gravel and Kucinich too but they have even less of a chance of winning then Ron Paul does.
Jun 14 2007 3:49PM
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Capt.Flannel
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well, great then. It's just not necessary to go into every applicable thread and say that they aren't viable candidates because Ron Paul is better.
Jun 14 2007 3:50PM
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010
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Circumstances have changed a lot since Eisenhower had a say in anything.
Jun 14 2007 4:08PM
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zzyzx
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ill take an invite

hes the best shot the democrats have
Jun 14 2007 4:11PM
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mski
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dude seriously, seriously? Do you seriously think thats going to happen?
Jun 14 2007 4:48PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Obama as president? I'd say there's a chance, as well as a likely chance of his assassination soon after he takes office.
Jun 14 2007 4:50PM
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mski
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yes that is very true! touche!
Jun 14 2007 4:57PM
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Tasche
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ya but people still believe in a book written 1500 years ago.
Jun 14 2007 5:44PM
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gnustreetfool
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Jun 14 2007 5:56PM
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010
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that is rather irrelevant
Jun 14 2007 8:54PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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You DO have to compromise. You know why? Because the 95% of people who vote do so based on a set of like... 5 factors. 5 Factors that have little to nothing to do with being a good president. Religion, Appearance, Conservative ratio, Personality, Partyline. The media has already decided that they will not lend Ron Paul any credabiliy. Abolishing an income tax is retarded. REFORMING it, is not.

But america is pretty hopeless. Not just because of the government, but because of the laziness and complacency of the people. The outcome of the next election is completely inconsequential.
Jun 15 2007 12:53AM
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comeatmebro
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dude.....



hes black
Jun 15 2007 1:33AM
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010
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i disagree
Jun 15 2007 8:31AM
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=Worf=
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first off obama hasnt even finished 1 term in the senate yet!!! all this talk about president is so premature. maybe in 2012 or 2016 he may have a chance. john edwards will be the democratic nomonee. i am willing to put money on that right now!!!! it doesnt matter though the republicans will still win.
Jun 15 2007 10:59AM
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Capt.Flannel
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maybe if Edwards takes office he'll be able to chase ambulances in a secret service vehicle. That'd be like old times but with a new twist.
Jun 15 2007 11:08AM
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jimmychung
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seniority in the senate should be of zero importance here. Sure Obama is still in his first term as a US senator, but already he has had a huge impact and has done plenty. And before that, Obama has been a state senator since 1996. and before that, he was a constitutional law lecturer at the university of chicago law school. and before that he was a law student at harvard law. and before that, he was a political science and international relations major at columbia university. i think Obama is plenty qualified since he has been involved in politics in and out of the senate since the late 70s.
Jun 15 2007 11:16AM
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Eleven
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being a law student shouldnt be something used as a credential for president. in the late seventies he was a teenager so i dont think highschool politics mattere eiter. why dont you address his premptive war stance on iran? i dont know how you can support someone like that.
Jun 15 2007 12:45PM
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jimmychung
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he graduated from columbia in '83, which means he started in '79=late seventies. and he studied constitutional law, which i think is important.
Jun 15 2007 12:47PM
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Capt.Flannel
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God forbid somebody has a different opinion than you eh? Not like the Iranian gov't is dangerous or anything, Obama MUST be a war monger!
Jun 15 2007 12:53PM
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Eleven
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dangerous opinions need to be confronted. nuking iran would gurantee this countries downfall. its very confusing that so called "liberals" support someone who has said nothing should be taken off the table with iran even nuclear first strikes. fuck him and fuck obama supportes. wake the fuck up is he pro war.
Jun 15 2007 12:58PM
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Eleven
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iran is a democratic country, and no matter how hard the media tries to make them seem to be evil that fact wont change. also the president said israels leadership should be wiped out, not the actual state but that is twisted and used by the media and the government.
Jun 15 2007 1:00PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Find me where Obama said "Let's Nuke Iran!" Last time I checked I saw that he had said that he wouldn't rule out FORCE, assuming sanctions didn't work. If you have a source that says otherwise, please show me, becuase I haven't seen it. No sarcasm on that, I simply haven't seen it.

And are you just oblivious to the fact that other people have different opinions on what this country needs or are you just too thick headed to accept it?
Jun 15 2007 1:01PM
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Capt.Flannel
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but holding the fact that he used coke, during this time, is OK to hold against him?
Jun 15 2007 1:07PM
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Eleven
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he was asked at a democratic debate if he would rule out nuking iran and he said it shouldnt be taken off the table. and whoever thinks we should use nukes , for any situation is a piece of shit and should be fuckin shot.
Jun 15 2007 1:07PM
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Eleven
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inbetween the eyes
Jun 15 2007 1:08PM
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Capt.Flannel
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He said he wouldn't rule out using force. There's a bit of a difference.
Jun 15 2007 1:08PM
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Eleven
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wrong. he was asked about using a nuke. he said nothing should be take off the table like ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES EXCEPT RON PAUL
Jun 15 2007 1:10PM
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Eleven
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and Mike Gravel
Jun 15 2007 1:11PM
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Capt.Flannel
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I don't remember that being part of his answer and I'm pretty sure that everybody in both debates (NOT RON PAUL! there, I said it for you, now you don't have to type it) answered with their own answers and said what they wanted to say, even if it didn't particularly address the question. You need to get it through your head that people have different opinions than you and just accept it. Jeez kid.
Jun 15 2007 1:14PM
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Capt.Flannel
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and notice the first part of his response:

Barack Obama said while it would be a "profound mistake" to pick a fight with Iran, Iran's possession of nuclear weapons would be "a major threat" to us and to the region. "If we have nuclear proliferators around the world that potentially can place a nuclear weapon into the hands of terrorists, that is a profound security threat for America and one that we have to take seriously," said Obama.
Jun 15 2007 1:18PM
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Capt.Flannel
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I forgot to finish that post - the point of that quote is to show that he is NOT PRO-WAR, just as a pro-choicer isn't 'pro-adoption.' Just becuase you aren't against something doesnt mean you're a supporter. Obama, as many of the other candidates, say that they won't take anything off of the table because they know that you cannot predict what will happen in the future. They are SMART ENOUGH to say that they will not take anything off of the table because in the very serious situation in which Iran DOES threaten our country or others to an extent that cannot be fixed with sanctions, basic military force, etc, they know that sometimes there is just no other option.

Now I understand what you believe, and that is that anybody who supports nucleur force should be shot in the face (though you may want to rethink your wording, as it is a bit lame), I don't believe that nucleur force should be taken off of the table because we NEVER KNOW when a situation may arise in which we need them. I can't think of any particular situation and I pray to God that there is NEVER such a situation, but to eliminate the possibility is nothing more than a restriction and a leash.
Jun 15 2007 1:26PM
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Capt.Flannel
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DAMNET! NucleAr*
Jun 15 2007 1:27PM
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Capt.Flannel
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last one - and while I didn't catch the word 'nuke' in the question (or at least don't remember hearing it), I wrote that response to include the use of nukes on your word that that was the case.
Jun 15 2007 1:37PM
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Gavajabra2
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Invite me
Jun 15 2007 4:25PM
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jimmychung
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nukes ended the biggest war of all time.
you can't say for sure that they will never be needed again.
and he never advocated the use of nukes, doing that would be political suicide and he would be shunned, and rightfully so. but you can never rule out force. there are situations where force and conflict is absolutely necessary for the well-being of innocent people. he isn't pro-war, nobody's pro-war. obama is just reasonable enough to know that sometimes war is necessary. and unlike bush, he'll be able to determine when/if it is necessary.

and you sound a little pro-war yourself with the death threats, eh?
Jun 15 2007 4:30PM
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Tasche
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your right he did it to pander to the hair trigger inbreds in the south. Which I am fine with. He wont get elected if he dosen't make them feel like they are in control.
Jun 15 2007 5:04PM
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