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Ridiculous DUI's

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goodfriend
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Well last night my friend got nailed with a DUI over nothing. We had been having dinner at his house and he and I had both had a glass of wine with dinner. We're both from Chile and we're both 18 and we enjoy our Chilean wines. So anyway we head off to this party afterwards but neither of us planned on drinking just because the party was real sketch as far as fears of cops coming because of too many people. We leave and decide to have a kickback at his place, and after picking up a couple of 40s and a handle of vodka we plan on heading back there with a few more friends. He drops me off at my car because I had to drop my girl off at home.

Next thing I know I'm getting a phone call from another friend of mine saying that he had been pulled over by the cops. They breathalized him, which he failed with a BAC of around .03-.04 and they found the booze in the car. Last I heard he was being bailed out of the yolo county jail by his mom and my friend who called me. Now he's going to be facing DUI charges and revoked liscence, which will seriously fuck up his prospects of getting to and from a decent job this summer. Not to mention the ridiculous fine he will have to pay and damage on his criminal record.

In conclusion, I would just like to say fuck you to MADD and all the other American prohibitionist movements and most of all, the American lawmakers. Fuck you for having having the insolence to think that you have the right to be the only country in the world that treats your young adults like 2nd class citizens, able to see action in Iraq and Afghanistan and watch people blown apart but not able to enjoy a glass of wine without getting fucked.

And another fuck you to the overzealous cops and their over enforcement of unjust laws. Fuck you for being the assholes you are, thinking you can fuck up normal peoples lives, over the most trivial bullshit. Fuck you for bringing out four patrol cars to screw over my friend, when there were probably many more people driving around who were actually drunk, who got away with it because you were so busy screwing someone innocent. You are the ones who give a bad name to cops who fight real crime and real criminals.

This has really not been my week.

May 20 2007 4:24PM
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Capt.Flannel
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what's the legal limit for adults? I don't drink much, so I don't know how much .03 is.
May 20 2007 4:35PM
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goodfriend
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for everyone under the age of 21 there is a zero tolerance policy on alcohol. Basically if you blow anything over a .00 you're in for a DUI because you are a "minor". That includes legal adults between the ages of 18-20. The legal limit for adults over 21 is a .08 BAC. A BAC of .03 is what you reach after maybe one beer or two depending on your weight. Nowhere near being able to affect your driving in anyway whatsoever.
May 20 2007 4:39PM
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Tom.
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Iorry, Im a noob. what does america have to do with you getting a DUI in Chile? I couldnt fallow what you said.

But yeah thats bullshit. I shouldnt matter what your BAC is aslong as you can pass a sobrioty(sp?) test.
May 20 2007 4:41PM
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Nicholas.
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my brother got an MIP for blowing a .002, thats what you would get if you drank a sip of mouthwash.
May 20 2007 4:41PM
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Tom.
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oo damn, you posted at the same time as me. thats the second time thats happened to me so far.
May 20 2007 4:42PM
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goodfriend
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I live in California now,
May 20 2007 4:44PM
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Capt.Flannel
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notice how I said 'for an adult'? I live in this country too - I'm aware of the drinking age. You answered my question with the simple '.08'
May 20 2007 4:44PM
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goodfriend
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I didn't know you could get a MIP without physically having alcohol on your person. Maybe things are different where you live.
May 20 2007 4:45PM
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goodfriend
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Its hard to know who's Canadian and who's American.
May 20 2007 4:47PM
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Capt.Flannel
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fair enough.
May 20 2007 4:47PM
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squeakywaffle
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The "zero tolerance policy" is utter shit.

The age of drinking here is bad enough, but whoever came up with the idea of assfucking people under 21 for any BAC above zero is a fucking fascist. Whatever cunts came up with this are directly responsible for shitting on hundreds if not thousands of young people's lives (having a DUI on your record is not good) over just one or two drinks.

Words can't express how mindblowingly unjust these laws are. A lot of stupid fucking cunts will whip out the "it's the law, deal with it" argument... but that's absolutely not valid. If laws were infallibly correct and just, we wouldn't have mechanisms in place to change them.

If I had a list of the lawmakers responsible and I wasn't afraid of getting caught, I would visit each and every one of them with a baseball bat and beat the everliving shit out of them. I truly think they deserve it for visiting this gross injustice on so many innocent people's lives.

Of course, there are a lot of laws I feel this way about. It's all fine and dandy when the law is just words on paper, but when innocent people start getting punished for nothing, you have to realize that we're talking about people's lives here. Putting someone in jail, or taking away their driver's license or putting a DUI on their record, or anything like that, is a major decrease in that person's quality of life... and if they weren't doing anything wrong, then it's criminal to be punishing them.
May 20 2007 5:00PM
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The_Oakley_Kid
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MIP 's and MIC's are the same. I got an MIC, and the charge read MICP. it basically means minor in posession via consumption.

I am betting this was in truckee too right? it sounds kinda like our cops.
May 20 2007 5:05PM
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Nicholas.
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its a drinking citation.until they get the right to search your car and gind a bottle of vodka...then its an MIP
May 20 2007 5:06PM
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skiierman
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Well as shitty as it is, your friend broke the law and got shit on for it. How can you complain? Yeah it sucks, and yeah it's shitty luck that he got caught but that's the law. Don't be saying all this shit about taking in kids when they could be doing something with Afghanistan and Iraq because that just makes you sound like a little bitch. Sucks for your friend, but what can you do?
May 20 2007 5:13PM
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goodfriend
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haha no man, these are Davis, CA cops. One of the most over funded, least needed police departments in the country. Their daily routine consists of giving Junior High kids helmet tickets, booking soccer moms for parking too long at the drop off area in the school parking lot, and handing out tickets for illegal U-turns.

I've never heard of an MICP, but then again I've only been breathalized drunk once, when the cops searched my friends apartment illegally since they said a soda can that had been sitting out appeared to be a beer can so they were allowed to search on the "plain view" rule. They found beer in the fridge that we had been drinking and arrested my friend for "furnishing alcohol to minors". We were all 18.
May 20 2007 5:16PM
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goodfriend
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No, I don't sound like a little bitch. Its a valid point that U.S. lawmakers find someone who is 20 years old mature enough to enlist but not mature enough to drink.

SqueakyWaffle already addressed the rest of your "thats the law" comment
May 20 2007 5:22PM
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Petey.
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Dude, it wasn't for no reason, your friend broke a law and you're just backing him up, big friggin deal...

Fact is, your friend got busted cause he was putting others at risk of injury and himself, so yea, there was a fucking reason, deal with it bitch
May 20 2007 5:27PM
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thenakedcellist
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SHIT
May 20 2007 5:29PM
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goodfriend
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Fuck you, its you pushovers who put up with this unjust bullshit. He wasn't putting anyone at risk, look it up you idiot, a BAC of .03 does next to nothing to your driving ability.

And getting charged with a serious crime like a DUI is a "big friggin deal"
May 20 2007 5:30PM
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Petey.
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It's not unjust bullshit, obviously he was in violation of something because they took him in, gg retard
May 20 2007 5:32PM
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goodfriend
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I would guess you are around 13-14 years of age
May 20 2007 5:38PM
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squeakywaffle
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so yeah, here is one of the "stupid fucking cunts" I was discussing.

Do you really think an adult under 21 with a BAC of .03-.04 is going to be impaired in the least? Do you think they are going to be more impaired than an adult over 21 with .07 or .08?

Describe to me why the "zero tolerance" law makes an ounce of sense. I dare you. Do it.

Just because something is law does not mean it SHOULD be law. I can't believe so many people don't realize this. It is legitimate for this guy to be complaining about his DUI because he completely and utterly did not deserve to get one. He didn't do anything wrong, and he is going to be charged with a moderately serious crime. Explain to me why that's okay.
May 20 2007 5:39PM
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skiierman
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Dude it comes down to this: YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
We aren't pushovers, we abide by the laws given and deal with it. It's called maturity. He broke the law, he got punished. If you guys cannot handle that, then fucking do something about it instead of bitching about how unfair the law is. If not then shut up, or move out of the country. How can you not understand that?
May 20 2007 5:43PM
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Petey.
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how about you go back to fuckin chile
May 20 2007 5:46PM
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goodfriend
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Comparing an adult who drinks under the age of 21 and a pedophile doesn't work at all. One is normal behavior, the other is abnormal and should be punished.

To be fair though I will back up any 18 year old facing statutory rape charges after hooking up with a 17 year old girl. There should be a one year minimum age difference before you can bring statutory rape charges to court.
May 20 2007 5:46PM
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Capt.Flannel
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You're arguing two different points that have both been addressed.

1. no tolerance law makes sense BECAUSE the legal age is 21. If it was anything other than a no-tolerance law than the drinking age would be hypocritical.

2. Some laws aren't good laws - no way dude! talk to your legislators about this, because bitchin bout it on ns isn't going to help anybody.
May 20 2007 5:47PM
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Petey.
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dude who are you to be talking about what the US law SHOULD be? honestly..
May 20 2007 5:48PM
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STACKS
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sick story
May 20 2007 5:50PM
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goodfriend
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I'd be surprised if you even knew where Chile is, do they teach geography in 7th grade? Go back to watching your cartoons and stop being angry that mommy didn't buy you new AR3s.
May 20 2007 5:50PM
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Petey.
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First off, I don't ride Armadas

Second, in 7th grade they call is social studies, if you could have afforded an education you would have known that

Third, I'm a senior
May 20 2007 5:53PM
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Capt.Flannel
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here's another point:

You know the laws, you know what it takes to break them. Even if you (or your buddy) weren't drunk, you (generally speaking) knowingly put yourself in the situation where you were breaking a law, thus accepting the consequences of driving after you had had a drink illegaly.
May 20 2007 5:57PM
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squeakywaffle
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1. And I disagree with that drinking age too, buddy. I have already addressed that.

In addition, who's to say something like the zero tolerance law is necessary? The penalty does not have to be a full DUI... that's just the way it is right now.

2. Few posts on NS are going to "help" anybody. Most threads here are more or less pointless, but guess what, we post in them anyway...? Wow, I wonder why we do that. Maybe it's what a forum like NS is for...? Nah.

Saying "why post about this" is immature and really irritating. If you don't want to post on the internet about random shit, then get off the fucking internet and stop whining about it because random shit is pretty much all you're going to be posting about.
May 20 2007 5:57PM
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Capt.Flannel
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you've gotta chill, pal. Did I disagree with you? Nope. Do I have a grasp on reality in accordance to this situation? Evidently moreso than you. Bitch about whatever you want; in way of your last point, I have just as much of a right to bitch about you making pointless activist rants.
May 20 2007 5:59PM
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bangarangmules
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prohibitionist movements? you said you had some 40s and vodka? i really dont know how much that is but you shouldn't be driving with alcohol in your system.i agree with everyone else that said its a law that your gonna have to deal with. and in my opinion its a good law, because if you kill someone drunk driving your gonna feel like shit your whole life
May 20 2007 5:59PM
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squeakywaffle
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when I was in seventh grade it was called geography lololol
May 20 2007 6:00PM
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japie99
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DUDE wtf

that shit is crazy!!

how can 0,00 be the standard?? ur body makes that stuff to so u always have like 0,1
May 20 2007 6:02PM
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goodfriend
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I find it hard to believe that you are a senior, but if you are I look forward to the day when you or one of your friends gets fucked over in the same situation after an alcohol related event.

And to clear things up, I went to the top bilingual academy in Chile, a far better school than any of the public schools in this whole country, especially the ones I've attended.

Oh, and last, I was born in Long Beach California.
May 20 2007 6:03PM
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Capt.Flannel
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your body makes alcohol? My body must be functioning improperly then, because I've blown 0.00 twice.
May 20 2007 6:04PM
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squeakywaffle
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hahahaha man you gotta take a chill pill, cool your jets man, srsly dude

Go make a thread about it if you want to. Flaming this guy in his thread just because you have some kind of pent up anger and frustration is sorta a jackass move. just sayin.

the internet is about love and peace
May 20 2007 6:04PM
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Capt.Flannel
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If you hadn't noticed, I haven't flamed anybody; just given sound reasoning for valid points.

Good attempt at changing the subject, though.
May 20 2007 6:06PM
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goodfriend
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Yes, that is if you are actually impaired. And two 40s and a handle isn't very much booze for 8-10 people.
May 20 2007 6:06PM
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skiierman
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You're a fucking idiot. You could have one beer in the car and still get arrested. It's illegal for underage kids to have alcohol in their possession. It doesn't matter if it's in your opinion "not much" because you are an angry and stupid foreign kid.
May 20 2007 6:12PM
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squeakywaffle
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huh?

You come into this guy's thread and start saying stop bitching, blah blah you accepted the consequences when you drove after one drink, etc. If that's not flaming then I don't really know what is. Not only were you disagreeing with him, but you are trying to belittle him by suggesting that the way he reacted to this was immature.

None of your points are very valid... you don't seem to be able to see this in shades of gray, which is how life works. Nothing is black and white. It is not zero tolerance law or nothing.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say now, but you present a shitty argument based on an immature morality and based on that you flame this guy in his thread. I agree you have a right to bitch about it, but go start another thread.

What I am saying is that the zero tolerance law is unjust and what happened to this guy is unjust. Do you disagree with that? Or are you just trying to be a smart ass?

I'm curious because I don't understand the mentality of people who think this way and yet there are so many of you.
May 20 2007 6:15PM
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shagalabagala
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well there weren't 8-10 ppl in the car with you, and as xtakewarninx said before, you know the laws, and you know that it's illeagle to drink under 21.  You also know it's illeagle to drink and drive, (especially if you're under 21).  I don't care how much you had to drink, if it were anything else besides a zero tolerance policy, it would be saying "well... it's okay for people under 21 to have a little to drink, when, according to the law, it isn't.

bottom line... you got caught.  either don't get caught, or don't do it.

May 20 2007 6:25PM
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Capt.Flannel
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haha you can't see any of the points I've made?

It's simple. Whether you agree or disagree with the law that says you need to be 21 to drink (I personally disagree), it's essential that there is a law, such as the no-tolerance law, to show that there is no hypocricy in the drinking age law. You seem to disregard this point because you don't think it's 'right.' Whether it's right or not is NOT what I've argued. It's a basic secondary law that is in accordance to a bigger law. I'm not arguing for the constitutionality or justification of these laws, I'm just pointing out the correlation between them.

If you can't understand that, than I have no idea what to say.
May 20 2007 6:29PM
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Capt.Flannel
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And to the last statement you made:

there are so many of us because we understand that the way to change a law or make ANY influence in lawmaking/legislation is NOT to break the law in question and then bitch about it after.
May 20 2007 6:31PM
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Petey.
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the fact that it was the top bilingual academy in CHILE, just makes it shitty
May 20 2007 6:32PM
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squeakywaffle
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then why does an MIP not come with penalties as harsh as those that come with DUI?

If the point of the zero tolerance law is to eliminate hypocrisy in the drinking age law, then it logically follows that they should be consistent and punish any instance of minors being in possession of/drinking alcohol with the same penalty, be it harsh or relatively meaningless. But this isn't the case

You seem convinced that there are valid reasons behind this law... I think it exists because some bitchy but very vocal group complained until someone made a law about it.
May 20 2007 6:34PM
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Capt.Flannel
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I don't disagree that the fine print of these laws aren't as they should be; I wasn't arguing for that. I think you misunderstood the very simple point I was making by thinking deeper into than I felt was necessary (or was willing) to post on ns. I'm simply saying that the secondary laws are there to back up the original laws (in general, not just in this case); whether the laws are just, constitutional, or even make sense is not something I care to touch, as I don't spend my time researching the definitions of these laws.
May 20 2007 6:38PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Damn, double quote:

A DUI is obviously more severe in punishment than an MIP because a DUI puts many people in danger, as the criminal (or alleged criminal) has a few thousand pounds of metal in their control (or lack of control) while an MIP, I assume, does not mean that the kid was driving. If a minor is drunk AND driving, I'm pretty positive that the punishment would be severe.
May 20 2007 6:40PM
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