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--R.I.P-- P18 and all Pivots
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god, im depressed now. i went to biglines.com and saw a newly streamed video with the Look/Dynastar representative, and he proceeded to show everyone that they now have discontinued all pivots. he showed the camera the PX18, and i just about cried. the line has PX10s, 12s, 15s, and 18s. what the fuck. i am very mad. and that means pivot heal pieces will jump in price next season. shit...
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man ive rode p-what have yous for a long time and den i copped some px12ti's fo my vct's and im happy as ever wif em
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Stock up on those FKS
I have some 120s set at 10 and I love them, they have given me more feel on my ski than any other binding. I'm going to hoard a pair of 155s for my next skis.
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It seems that most people in this thread are not realizing that the PX10/12/14 is a completely different binding than the PX15/18.
Just like the P10/12/14 was a completely different binding than the P15/18.
Change is Good.
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Your just upset he is making you blush, and i dont understand your post a couple before this one saying how salomon 916 and 920 are great, which they are, but you were just knocking the fks 155/185s saying how we shouldnt be skiing these because you know how we ski and we dont need them because your supposed 200+ lbs. roommate is fine with px12s, well by this comment i can conclude your roommate is a bitch, my mom, who is 115-120 was skiing p12/fks 120 with a din or 7-8 up until last year, and my mom doesnt even charge that hard...
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As far as change being good. the 5 people i know who work for both companies are very disappointed. And yes the higher din new PX's are metal but you lose all of the heel elasticity which is what made pivot bindings SO GOOOD!!! For Park/Pipe and Freeride.
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^the heel elasticity did not come from the fact that it pivoted a little. the elasticity in the heel is still there in the fact that it will move 24mm before releasing, as opposed to the regular 19mm in most other bindings.
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In Upward elasticity? i do not see how you could be right the Px has one pivot. the FKS and Pivot have 2 in test run on last years and the previous years bindings showed the FKS had better upward elasticity. But to be sure i have a friend who used to be the Binding dept manager for look i will ask him tomorrow.
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if I set my foward pressure lower, I double eject on everything. It's a lose/lose battle with these bindings.
I know p12s work for many people but for some reason they have always been total shit for me. You don't know how I ski, seriously, shut the fuck up.
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Seems to me that there are a LOT of people (myself and many of my friends included) who have had nothing but trouble with the new look/rossi design.
Even having reps come to the hill and try to set them up properly did not stop them from pre-releasing at the slightest breath of air, rotation, landing, etc.
Anyways, there are obviously lots of people who are not at all stoked on the new design.
The pivot design has been a consistent, proven, reliable, bombproof binding, why a company would choose to stop producing it is beyond me.
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yup. i completely agree. sure. the Turntable and pivot bindings were not perfect, but they worked. i think they would have been much better off to solve the problems that existed with them VS creating a whole new binding.
the Turntable has so many unique features not found in ANY other binding, or not available together in any binding
Awesome ski flex
the best retention
Elasticity
durable
reasonable weight
knee-saving turntable
zero-slop interface
with the PX heel, just about all of those are gone.
sure, the PX15 PX18 will be slightly different, i still highly doubt they will come close to the success of the pivots.
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Fuck the PX heel, I don't care if it does have more forward pressure than the turntable, it's still shit.
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o well. i havent had too many problems with my markers, the fr 14. w/e, i dont ski park so i guess it doesnt matter to me
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I'm going to reserve my judgement until I ride them.
The best thing about the old ones was the upward elastic travel of the heel piece, not the pivoting factor
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Wow, I really hope you're kidding...first of all, the P18 is in no way a park binding. And second of all, if you're riding anything that says 'Marker' on it, your opinion becomes null and void.
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The pivot died 2 years ago guys, I don't know why people are still talking about this. The turntable heel is much different than the pivot heel. And yes, while it is a shame that its discontinued, you'll still be able to find them. Just like you can still find 14 DIN metal wormscrew salomon heels on old 900s and 997s. And besides, the toe piece from the FKS is making it over to the new ones, and the racestock px heel will be metal, which will solve most of your problems, cause it seems like most of you are just bitching about the fact that they are plastic.
You have to understand that racers and freeriders make up such a small portion of sales for these companies that if its cheaper to make a px binding and they might miss out on 0.5-1% of sales then they will still do it. Plus this binding is probably better for racers, so its only us freeriders who miss out. Stop complaining and start hording or just deal with the new ones.
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^ I agree.
Perhaps everyone here is still skiing in rear-entry boots on straight, non-twin tipped skis? For a bunch of "newschoolers", there sure seems to be a lot of you that are opposed to change with new skiing technology.
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have people checked the din height on their boots? are they worn down at all? this is going to make more of a difference than a lot of fancy little adjustments on your bindings.
one of the best skiers in the world uses a 916 heel piece and a p18 toe piece on his big mountain skis. toe piece is simple and strong and the heel piece is the strongest out the there. also you can trust it is clicked in no matter what. you don't want to have some half ass click in on an alaskan face.
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hybrid bindings are the shit!
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After a few calls here is the gospel from JF. There is no alpine ski binding with more upward elasticity than the P or FKS series.
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If the new binding design did not pre-release all the time, then I would be stoked on the "new skiing technology".
Just because something is new does not necessarily mean that it is good.
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