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--R.I.P-- P18 and all Pivots

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AKFREERIDE
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god, im depressed now. i went to biglines.com and saw a newly streamed video with the Look/Dynastar representative, and he proceeded to show everyone that they now have discontinued all pivots. he showed the camera the PX18, and i just about cried. the line has PX10s, 12s, 15s, and 18s. what the fuck. i am very mad. and that means pivot heal pieces will jump in price next season. shit...
May 19 2007 4:14PM
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bobs
Posts: 4801 - Karma: 868
holding onto my fks then, don't buisness do like market surveys to find out what the people want?
May 20 2007 12:51PM
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chickenwang
Posts: 5639 - Karma: 40
or whats cheapest for them to make...
May 20 2007 12:52PM
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3ski6guy0
Posts: 9201 - Karma: 132
personally i think the PX12 are better than the pivot 12s. the pivots would get really crappy over time. hard to click in, kinda wobbly. i like my px12s
May 20 2007 1:02PM
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SnowRidgeParks
Posts: 2146 - Karma: 88
That's a damn shame, I hate the px12 jibs that I rode this year, I had a pair of already discontinued p10's last year and found them incredibly superior. It seems like the heelpiece without the pivot just makes the bindings rigid and just like every other binding out there...
May 20 2007 1:42PM
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1-pippin
Posts: 1741 - Karma: -2
yeah i had a pair of px's and seriously i could not 270 on to rails or my binding would release, switch ups were scarry too because about half the time they would also release, and i had them release on jumps many times too.
then i was like fuck that and bought p12 jibs and its insane how much better they are, i have never released when i shouldnt have, not once, px's dont even compare, they are complete shit!
May 20 2007 1:53PM
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STACKS
Posts: 1938 - Karma: 42
this wasn't the best move look rossi has made
May 20 2007 2:51PM
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bigwhite.steeze
Posts: 8227 - Karma: 1,030
ummmm the best park binding is the deadbolt...even though pivots were good and all they cant really compete with the weight,durabilty and brake system of the deadbolt... so yeah...deadbolts kick ass
May 20 2007 5:31PM
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dirty_dreb
Posts: 2659 - Karma: 19
deadbolt is a fucking plastic piece of junk. i cant wait till you start riding hard on them and you break off the wings to the toe
May 20 2007 5:34PM
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freezed
Posts: 12973 - Karma: 500
marker will never be the best park binding. even though the PX is not as good as the pivot, it's still better than anything marker will ever make. I'll give them one thing- the Duke, but that's a touring binding. And Salomon hasn't changed anything in their bindings except put leather on the outside and make a tab or track or something metal.
May 20 2007 5:36PM
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bigwhite.steeze
Posts: 8227 - Karma: 1,030
wow, youve certainly shown that you know jack shit. ive ridden 3 pairs of pivot heal bindings and im not impressed at all. the quality was pure shit. broke the toe pieces on 2 of the pairs, and when i landed switch off a step up the break went down, and pretty much destroyed the entire heelpiece. im probly a more agressive skier then you are and ive never had a priblem with m 614's. not one prerelease,break deployment or none releasing when i needed them too. deadbolts are are legit.
May 20 2007 6:55PM
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ecsm.
Posts: 1381 - Karma: 532
thoes are so sick i love mine
May 20 2007 6:57PM
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ikellen
Posts: 247 - Karma: 10
That's OK....I've been on P18s as well and didn't notice a difference when I was clicked into either binding. The PX12 released easier, but that's because I had it set at a lower DIN. For reference, I've destroyed two pairs of 912ti's and a pair of markers.

Secondly, WTF is with people complaining about ejecting in a hard carve? Where in the park are you going to make a hard enough carve to eject out of a binding? You guys must have your forward pressure way off, as even charging at 30+ mph through crud, I've never ejected out of a PX12 set at 8.

Lastly, I realize the P/FKS bindings are good, but I hope you all like hospital bills. The FKS series especially are designed to keep you IN the binding more than they are designed to release. This is because they are a RACE binding. So yes, they won't pre-release (although I'm skeptical on these pre-release claims), but they also are LESS likely to eject WHEN YOU ACTUALLY WANT THEM TO. Enjoy your ACL surgery.
May 20 2007 7:16PM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
enjoy your p12's set at 8... PUSSY. p12's are a little kid binding I ride p18's at 13 allllllll day and they always pop off when I need them too, they dont explode like a p12 or a px, and they last for three or four pairs of skis, your dumb everyone in the ski industry who isn't an idiot or under contract with marker or solomon (which a puppy could break) rocks these bindings.... and its not becuase they aren't the best.
May 20 2007 8:00PM
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soradrightnow
Posts: 318 - Karma: 10
This is exactly why P18s, 15s, and 12s are being discontinued.

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Bottom of the Blackcomb pipe, WSI finals. sucks to be whoever that was.
May 20 2007 9:04PM
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nellyyy
Posts: 1676 - Karma: 3,269
those are such shitty looking bindings
i heard that they discontinued the pivots because most of the people that used the pivots were people that rossignol/look had given them through sponsorship, and that not many others outside of that were buying them
May 20 2007 9:14PM
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nellyyy
Posts: 1676 - Karma: 3,269
the new ones i mean. not the old pivots
May 20 2007 9:15PM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
for every broken turntable heel theres 20 broken p12/px heels
and Lots of people buy them, lots and lots and lots.
May 20 2007 9:15PM
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CTD
Posts: 6300 - Karma: 348
thats bullshit. i work at a shop, and we sell/sold fks 120s and squads, and literally almost every kid at the local resorts is rocking them. they were easily the highest selling binding outside of the package/consumer level stuff.
May 20 2007 9:19PM
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TRIZZLE
Posts: 125 - Karma: 85
Yea that binding at the end of the pipe was hit by a runaway ski...so that is why it is broken...only kid i know who snaps p 18's is Mr. Vanular. Also they are still making the p12 and 14 or whatever the hell they are...but those suck balls and break upon any impact.
May 20 2007 9:31PM
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skiWASHDC
Posts: 716 - Karma: 17
so rossi is changing there bindings too? If so whats there reason?
May 20 2007 9:45PM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
Look makes rossis bindings
May 20 2007 9:50PM
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md.
Posts: 224 - Karma: 10
wtf, those were just about the only reliable bindings out ther
May 20 2007 9:50PM
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dirty_dreb
Posts: 2659 - Karma: 19
oh im sorry, your right. the pivot heal bindings are a different series from pivot heel.

do you mountain bike as well? cause im definilty not as aggresive as you if thats the case.

sorry for seeing deadbolts falling apart.

very, very sorry.
May 20 2007 10:03PM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
I like this guy... no homo
May 20 2007 10:16PM
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lanks
Posts: 12544 - Karma: 73
HAHAHAHA
May 20 2007 10:29PM
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A@ron
Posts: 1320 - Karma: 86
same here.
May 20 2007 10:33PM
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matty_chaines*
Posts: 177 - Karma: 11
px 12 are shityy i had the them this year every time i landed switch off a rail or a jumb the shit would just come right off....i tightented them down all the way and could pull off my skii while doing a mute
May 20 2007 10:51PM
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EL_FINRE
Posts: 2486 - Karma: 52
i so agree with you
May 20 2007 11:11PM
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[~_~]
Posts: 20239 - Karma: 1,273
First of all, there are people who ski park aggressivly enough that even a simple carve will make 12-din bindings explode.

I rode my p12s on 11 or 12 DIN with super tight foward pressure. When I landed in a carve off a rail 1 foot off the ground, I would double eject. I then broke them. Then I got some px12s and those were even worse. I would double eject on small shit like nose butters. I have a perfectly "good" pair sitting on my Fujis right now but I am too scared to do anything but snowplow with these bindings and the Fujis wont take another remount, so I am out a pair of Fujis.

and no Im not just some park rat who skis courderoy all day, I ski Alaskan lines, and all kinds of terrain. Most kids up here use FKS bindings as well, for they suit our skiing terrain MUCH better than unreliable plastic pieces of shit.
May 21 2007 2:56AM
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RudyGarmisch
Posts: 25443 - Karma: 13,844
Hey Grant, look what he found!!!!!!
May 21 2007 3:14AM
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ikellen
Posts: 247 - Karma: 10
Honestly, what bindings have you broken before? I don't disagree that P/FKS bindings are good. But honestly, I've skied PX12/14's all season, usually set on 8 or 9, and NEVER had a problem. I may not be able to throw sw10's, but as I mentioned in my previous post, I ski hard enough to break bindings (2 pairs of 912s, and a park of 12 din markers).

If you have indeed broken a PX binding, I'd be interested to know what model, what DIN you were set at, your weight and your bootsole length. I'd also be interested in knowing what bootsole the binding was adjusted to (I hope some of the NS retards understand you can have TOO MUCH forward pressure).

My roommate weighs about 230-240, and skied a PX12 all season as well, with no issues. And trust me, he doesn't ski park, but put him on a big steep face with some drops, and he can out-ski most anyone.

Lastly, to say Salomon bindings as a whole suck is just stupid and proves you only latch on to what is trendy to believe. Bindings like the 900s and 977 have been around probably longer than you've been skiing, and are as durable as any look binding. And don't get me started on 916s or 920s. I'm not necessarily a fan of their consumer bindings, but their all metal bindings are as good as anyone's.
May 21 2007 11:02AM
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ikellen
Posts: 247 - Karma: 10
I'm really lost with your post...you say just because someone skis park aggressively, they have some magic power to make a plastic binding explode on a simple carve? WTF????

As I mentioned in my reply to the other idiot, you can have TOO MUCH forward pressure, which you admitted to having in your post. Want to know why your bindings broke?

If you broke a plastic binding because you set them up incorrectly, you're pretty much an idiot in my book, not some badass skier. What you did was equivalent to say, drilling the screws of your bindings through your base and then grinding them smooth because you thought it would hold better.

STFU and come back when you can give me an intelligent reply...
May 21 2007 11:09AM
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LC.
Posts: 5952 - Karma: 2,423
Yeah man, if your forward pressure is set anywhere above where it should be then you're going to pre-release. Set them up properly and you're gold.
May 21 2007 11:12AM
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jksl
Posts: 12727 - Karma: 854
or the track breaks and your heel piece doesn't stay in place
May 21 2007 11:31AM
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fouldsys
Posts: 7404 - Karma: 39
thats not even broken. its just torn out. it happens to most bindings. and they guy in the vid already said that it was cancelled for industry reasons or something.
May 21 2007 11:50AM
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3ski6guy0
Posts: 9201 - Karma: 132
exactly. i had people who actually know what they are doing set mine and my px12s on both my pow and park skis have been perfect all year. they release when i want them to and dont when i dont
May 21 2007 11:51AM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
You and your roomate are pussy's, I stopped skiing on p12's when I was about 15, so I wont even fuck with a px at this point, I broke p12' and 14's EVERYDAY for two seasons, along with soloman's 912's 914's 916's(uhuh even the metal ones suck) Ti all of them I know how to set my forward pressure thanks, I love how people can claim they ski "aggressively" but in reality no one over 200lbs who doesn't have problems with a p12 can ski at all.
May 21 2007 12:15PM
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Triple_Strum
Posts: 6384 - Karma: 953
I think you guys are a bunch of whiners, personally. The PX heelpiece is actually pretty good, and the px18 will be very durable, I am sure. I loved my FKS and p18s, but for 95% of riders they are unnecessary - evening in terms of durablilty. I will save someone the trouble and state that I am old now and do only small (30 ft and under) hits and don't require a binding that can take a backseat landing on a 60 ft table, but then again, I am starting to appreciate having my body in one piece. If you eject on a landing, then chances are good you landed wrong (unless you have lower line Salomons, then of course I understand about pre-releasing) :)
May 21 2007 12:15PM
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duhamelski
Posts: 3842 - Karma: 192
fuck this, salomons are the worst bindings out there and rossi's pivots suck equally much. good thing i already have a set of p18s
May 21 2007 12:24PM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
997's are good, but extinct
May 21 2007 12:26PM
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srwinnsuco
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good thing 916's still exsist.
May 21 2007 12:47PM
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ikellen
Posts: 247 - Karma: 10
There are still plenty of them out there, you just need to look.

And for god's sake, just stop waving your cock around like you are a god and everyone else sucks. I'm not even gonna continue this debate...
May 21 2007 1:04PM
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freezed
Posts: 12973 - Karma: 500
That just isn't true, if your bindings are set up correctly.
And having your forward pressure too high doesn't hold you in better, it makes you more likely to release side to side, having forward pressure higher than it should be is just a bad idea.
May 21 2007 1:10PM
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duhamelski
Posts: 3842 - Karma: 192
well definatelly alot of people on this site cant ride din 12s without their bindings falling off. i ride 15 on p18s, which is a really solid binding. on my pipe skis i ride a 16-17
May 21 2007 1:19PM
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Triple_Strum
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thank God someone has an idea. It isn't about the dins, it is about setting them properly and landing properly. Whoever said the sillyness about carving with a 12 din is ridiculous.
May 21 2007 1:43PM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
They're not as good as fks so whats the point? Im not sure were my cock came out but sure! Dont assume becuase people swear when they talk that they are young and dumb and don't understand things like forward pressure, or are too young to know what 997's are.
May 21 2007 1:50PM
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Jake...
Posts: 11976 - Karma: 296
shitttty
May 21 2007 2:11PM
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Jester1
Posts: 111 - Karma: 10
FKS 155 are 50% off here is the link Most places are out of 185 FR's http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,3133.htm
May 21 2007 2:18PM
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FUUUCK
Posts: 18426 - Karma: 4,888
looks like im only riding tyrolia from now on
May 21 2007 3:09PM
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