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Skipig25
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nah, not really. but while you're here...

I'm moving to Montana next year for school.

5'8"
155 lbs

178 JP v. Julien?
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179 AK Enemies?

Convince me. JP's are light as hell, but that may be a crud problem. but also a plus.

I have park skis too, so these will be my pow/everyday ski, when I'm not in the park.

May 11 2007 9:25PM
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soradrightnow
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JPs if you like the idea of smearing all of your turns, because they really aren't designed to carve a turn as you would traditionally. It isn't that you can't, just that they don't ski at their best that way. the K2s if you still think carving a fat ski is cool. JPs are lighter, and yes it's noticeable. Both fun, just different.
May 11 2007 9:29PM
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A_Thomas
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honestly you might be able to go 188 jp/juliens, depending on what mountain you normally shred at, and what park skis you have as backups. but yea i have jj's and they are heavenly
May 11 2007 9:29PM
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Skipig25
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yea, that's the problem is that they're 2 different styles.

JP's are all light and soft and smeary, which is great for pow

and AK's are all burly and carvy and crud-blastery.

Both good in pow I guess, but I don't know what I'm feeling
May 11 2007 9:37PM
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poofartpee
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AK is a tad softer too if i remember correctly
May 11 2007 9:52PM
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hollygrove
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They both sound cool, but I'd personally pick teh AK Ememy's. And I know that's no real help to you with the fact that I'd pick them first. I guess I'd want them cause I like carving and charging.

May 11 2007 10:04PM
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quixotic
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same
May 11 2007 10:49PM
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Alkyy
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Just pick up malones jps in the thread below this, if your going to college your gunna be broke like me. soo 250 for a good all mtn/ pow ski is great.  I would go with armada over k2 any day, light quicker ski that can float around is so much fun
May 11 2007 10:52PM
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ikellen
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I'm curious.......how many of you have actually skied the JpvJ? Im reading all this talk about how it's impossible to carve and all you can do is smear turns. Now understand I haven't skied it, but I've been on some long and pretty straight skis, and you can still carve them just fine. They won't make short radius turns on a dime, but they still can carve. Do you guys not know how to turn a ski beyond a speed check smear?

The JPvJ is listed as having a 23mm difference between tip and waist dimensions. This years AK Enemy (made'n) isn't much more at 29mm. To put even more perspective, the Rossi B-squad is 26mm difference between tip and waist

The JPvJ is pretty soft, so it will flex in a laid-out carve. I wouldn't be surprised if it's radius was under 30m.

So with all this in mind, why do all of you think it's impossible to carve this ski? I may be talking out of my ass here, but the numbers seem to back my thoughts up.
May 12 2007 1:16AM
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soradrightnow
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It's not impossible, it just doesn't do it well. It can be done, and it's fun on big, long, open pow fields, but it's at its best when you smear it some.
May 12 2007 1:22AM
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InitialG
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the reason jp vs js are hard to carve is that they are so wide with very little sidecut, that combo kinda makes it difficult, it can be done its just not as easy as a more all mountain oriented ski
May 12 2007 1:25AM
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InitialG
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and to the OP, buy those jp's in malones thread, such a good deal
May 12 2007 1:27AM
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ikellen
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Uhh, genius, if you read my entire reply, you would realize that I am aware that the JPvJ's are wide...and that they don't have as much sidecut. I haven't skied the JPvJ's, but I've skied the Volkl Gotama (28mm difference between tip and waist, 105 underfoot), and had no problems making long and short carves with it.

Something tells me a few NS'ers need to get out of the park and learn to ski the whole mountain again.
May 12 2007 1:32AM
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punkrock32
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JP's are fun for sure. I have some in 188, and use it as my everyday ski outside of the park. They are pretty soft, very very light, and yes they can carve even though people say they wont. They obviously dont carve as well, but are still a ton of fun. Mine are mounted -2 back from center, and they still float well in pow. (partially attributed to the fact that im only like 145 pounds)
May 12 2007 1:57AM
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InitialG
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haha you need to chill, I didn't read your whole post since I just got on break and frankly reading is overrated

remember each ski is designed differently, you can't just compare dimensions and then say how a ski is gonna carve, other factors like flex and mounting point come into play too, if I remember correctly JP's have a lot more ski out back when mounted at recommended than gotamas do.
May 12 2007 2:10AM
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soradrightnow
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who really wants a pow ski to carve anyways? It's fucking STUPID.
May 12 2007 2:16AM
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InitialG
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exactly, nobody is gonna have JP's as their only all mountain ski, they are kicker and pow skis, thats what they do best. although they are supposed to be awesome on park jumps too.
May 12 2007 2:20AM
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punkrock32
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uhh thats what i use mine for, it works out fine, i have park skis too but only use them in park
May 12 2007 2:27AM
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ikellen
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More reason why mounting true center is stupid on anything but symmetrical skis...
May 12 2007 2:28AM
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punkrock32
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^my bad on the double post but ya, i use them as all mountain skis
May 12 2007 2:28AM
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soradrightnow
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curiously, I use mine as all mountain skis as well.
May 12 2007 2:41AM
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InitialG
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yeah guess I shouldn't have said everybody, but I meant they were definitely more of a ski for fresh days and thats what most people use them for
May 12 2007 3:36AM
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grambo
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Except that the camber of a skis also affects how it feels carving on harder snow and the JPvJ is relatively flat, compared to the ANT which has a lot of camber/pop making it easy to carve (in long turns anyway, I forget the radius of the ski, at least 27m or 31 maybe?)
May 12 2007 5:55AM
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steezyjibber
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ak enemies
May 12 2007 9:44AM
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ShadyHillGroup
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Thats really not a good comparison, where most people mount there JJs and where most people mount Gotomas is a good 7cm apart, that will also play a big difference in carving, the JJs are a true jib ski they arent meant to charge big mt. The 190 gotoma is a big mt ski, its meant to charge hard, have you looked at the tails, there is bairly any twin tip, compaired to the other lengths.

Something tells me ikellen need to get off NS and learn to not be a D-bag to fellow NSers

And between those two skis i would go with what fits your style the best, you also might want to look into a ski thats in the 183-185 range
May 12 2007 10:38AM
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ikellen
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OK, you've not really countered my first point, and you've backup up my second point. Mounting a ski true center is retarded because you make it more difficult to carve the ski by placing your foot nowhere near the center of the sidecut.

Now if you go and buy some JPvJ's, mount them true center and then complain that you can't carve them, I'm gonna call you retarded because there are plenty of people that CAN carve them. You know why they can? Because they didn't jump on some bandwagon of stupidity and mount them true center. YES, it's a jib/BC freestyle ski, but that doesn't mean you should mount it anywhere near center.

Fuck, even if you do mount a ski true center, you can still carve the ski if you know how to ski. So if you're trying to tell me that because you chose to mount a ski true center you can't carve it, I'm basically going to assume you can't ski better than a 6 year old.

I don't come on here to bag on other NS'ers. However if someone is spewing some retardation acting like they know what they're talking about, I'm going to call them on it. There is way too much BAD info given out in threads about skis. It seems like 20-30% of the people on here can't seem to ski beyond a basic scrub turn. I don't give a shit if you can do a sw 10, if you can't leave the park and ski the rest of the mountain, you suck in my opinion.

Hate to be a prick in some eyes, but people need to speak up here when it comes to bad and WRONG information being given out.
May 12 2007 11:28AM
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ShadyHillGroup
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See my point about calling the JJs a jib specific is because it is, and like most jib specific skis you want to mount them close to true center because you will be landing and skiing switch a decent amount of time. I never once complained that you can't carve it, i dont think anyone in this entire thread has, they have just said that JJs ski better when you smear your turns a little.

And yes you do come on here just to be a d-bag, you were not humble at all, you were up on your high hourse talking about how good of a skier YOU are, and how everyone on NS can't ski because we all jumped on a bandwagon and mounted our skis true center. NS is about Newschool skiing, i.e. jumps rails ect. So yes the majority of NS has center or close to center mounted skis because that it was suits park skiing the best.

And to your comment about bad or WRONG information, how do you know its wrong, you said YOU HAVE NEVER SKIED JJs, you can;t have an opinion on how they ski if you haven't skied them.

Also on a side note, don;t tell me i ski like a 6 y/o, i dont kknow you, and you sure as hell don't know me, don't be a dumb ass, stop the hate.
May 12 2007 11:54AM
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DopeSauce
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AK Enemies! Or wait for hellbents
May 12 2007 12:13PM
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ijibgoremtn
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not a bad choice as a pow ski still great in pow but sick to jib and shit on
May 12 2007 12:51PM
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MarkieR
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i've logged many days on both of these skis. this is what i've found...

the enemy is a rockin' ski for everything. it's not really the shit for any one thing, but it rocks pretty hard in everything. basically, it's super versatile. it's really soft which makes it very manageable in tight situations. however, it tends to get thrown around in chop slop and at very high speeds. the dimensions make it great for skiing on hardpack (it's basically a park ski with an extra centimeter or two underfoot). but it makes them kinda funky when you're trying to go fast in pow pow. also, because these skis are soft, you can get away with mounting them further up than you could on most pow skis without risking too much tip dive.

the jj is super rad for everything too. don't listen to douches on here telling you that they won't carve. they definitely will. the first time i skied them on hard snow i was blown away by how well they handled. the shape makes them track sooooo true in pow. they'll do exactly what you want them to. if you get in icy situations though, you will notice the lack of shape. they hold like shit on steep icy slopes. i was on the bottom part of the downhill course at snowbasin and i seriously thought i was going to kill myself trying to get to the bottom. anyway, they're pretty soft too, but i don't think they're as soft as the k2s . again, the softness makes them super maneuverable, but you lack a little bit of charging capabilities. you can definitely give 'er though, look at jp slamming giant ak faces with them. the jj is definitely more geared for off piste skiing than the ak.

if you don't mind sacraficing a few quick turns, i'd say go for the jj. it's prowess in soft snow completely warrants it's shortcomings on the groomed trails (which are quite insignificant).
May 12 2007 1:33PM
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MarkieR
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oh yeah, and for your size (if you're a pretty advanced skier), i'd maybe check out the 188 jj's instead of the 178. and also maybe the 189 ak, they really ski a lot shorter, both of them. especailly the jj, because the tail is so damn tall, you lose a ton of length right there.
May 12 2007 1:38PM
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Skipig25
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^ wow, thanks for that info. and it's great to come from someone who has actually skied them. I don't know about 188's tho, that's a pretty big jump for me. I know they're light as hell, but I still am only 5'8 and like 150 lbs. I'm a pretty strong skier, but I like to whip em around when I have to, and I could probably carve the 178's a little better, and still be small enough to have them float for me
May 12 2007 6:42PM
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MarkieR
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word. sounds like the shorter ones would be a better fit. they'd for sure be a lot more versatile.
May 12 2007 7:21PM
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steezyjibber
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its huge tho
May 12 2007 7:30PM
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Skipig25
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phil just brought surface live lifes to my attention also. they come in a 179 and are 112 underfoot. Probably not many people have ridden them, but opinions? and I don't wear girl pants, so that could pose a problem. ;)
May 12 2007 8:23PM
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InitialG
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not too many people have ridden them, they were a really limited release this year, next year they go into full production though.
May 12 2007 9:05PM
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hollygrove
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Bahahahahha.
I wear girl pants, but I haven't ridden them.
They sound sweet though, message powfoka, I know that he used a pair all season.
May 12 2007 9:11PM
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dorikin
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I own 188 JP Juliens and 190 Gotamas, both mounted fairly similarly. Yes, the Jps are harder to carve. The difference in sidecut does make a difference... That is why it is designed that way. You can carve any ski if you really try, but yes the JJs are harder to carve and don't hold an edge as well on Icey slopes. I still use them as my everday ski though cause they are so fun and light.
May 12 2007 10:15PM
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a-g-b
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I have the 179 jp's and they are the most fun ski ever.....and they are fun pretty much anywhere on the mtn.I made the exact same decision your trying to make...jps
May 12 2007 10:46PM
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MarkieR
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straight from surface themselves:

Then, the Live Life is going to be quite stiffer than the Line
Elizabeth, it's a directional twin, designed and built by the
gentleman who designed Burton Snowboards for 10 years (we have some
great people involved with Surface!!) It's capable of charging peaks,
but still "turny" enough to jam through cliff lines and rocks. It's a
really fun ski.
May 13 2007 1:05PM
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MarkieR
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and the new graphics (2 to choose from) are sooooo fucking badass.
May 13 2007 1:06PM
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Aenigma
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You'll want a straighter ski for riding around Bozeman because at Bridger you're either straightlining or dumping speed quickly, and most of the stuff at Big Sky is wide open.  183 Gotamas are most likely a better option than either of the skis you're looking at.  Try sending a PM to freeridinskier, he moved here last year and got those skis and seems to like them for everyday riding.  That, and there's about 339,329,190,208,587 people out here that ride them for good reasons.
May 13 2007 3:00PM
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