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4frnt Using Tunisia / North African manufacturing plant for skis, one of three new manufacturers.

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nothanks
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Some info.

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May 11 2007 4:56PM
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ijibgoremtn
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might i ask where that pic came from?
May 11 2007 4:59PM
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nothanks
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it came from the deep.
May 11 2007 5:33PM
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soradrightnow
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Hey, I think i've seen that thing before!
May 11 2007 5:51PM
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Skipig25
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it's true
May 11 2007 6:16PM
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spere
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of course, you dont even need a gun
May 11 2007 6:36PM
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zylstra
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that guy in the suit was fat.
i love fat people
May 11 2007 7:50PM
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faux_real
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sounds like a cover for a terrorist training camp.
May 11 2007 8:57PM
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lyndon
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maybe its a joke, or i dont get it. I thought 4frnt skis are being pressed in the Elan factory?
May 11 2007 9:10PM
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SteezePatrol
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weird
May 11 2007 9:21PM
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soradrightnow
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and I thought Chinese labour was questionable for a variety of legitimate reasons...

If they're being made in Africa, why are 4frnts so damn expensive?
May 11 2007 9:23PM
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soradrightnow
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Sure, quality manufacturing, and it's also dirt fucking cheap to make them there, not to mention questionable from an ethical/sustainable business point of view!

Fact: overseas manufacturing is CHEAPER, and that's why it gets used. K2 suffered no obvious quality control issues after their move to China, and it's cheaper to make skis there. Fine. It's also reflected in most of their prices.

The question therefore remains: why so damn expensive?
May 11 2007 9:33PM
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STACKS
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what is that pic for
May 11 2007 10:46PM
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johanblaze
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Is this a serious question? Why do you think?
May 11 2007 11:19PM
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SteezePatrol
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clearly not...hence 4frnt























































OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHITTTTTTTTTT


just kidding i (L) 4frnt
May 12 2007 2:42AM
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SteezePatrol
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i swear to god the floor was not pink in that picture the last time i looked
May 12 2007 2:42AM
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Worst.NS.Member
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To be honest, Mid-east/North Africa/Levant manufacturing and engineering sucks ass. I have never seen skis from the region, but they don't adhere to any standards or have any quality control in any other aspect (cars, houses, buildings, appliances). Even in Dubai and Doha they fly in engineers from afar to design and supervise construction jobs because without them the structures would be un-sound.
I wouldn't buy skis from a place that has never seen snow, but that's just me. On the other hand I've seen Chinese production of extremely high quality, but never mid-eastern. Every business venture there besides western-run/built oil industry is a complete and miserable failure.
May 12 2007 11:02AM
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chickenwang
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^china gets snow...
May 12 2007 11:07AM
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Worst.NS.Member
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Not trying to be harsh but sadly is true.
Used to be some of the greatest architects and mathematicians on earth but its going downhill ;_;
Regards,
May 12 2007 11:08AM
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GutzyBaby
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^but dubai has that indoor ski area. i'd buy skis from a desert country with a ski area. even if 9thward made them.
May 12 2007 1:25PM
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TWoods
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, and dubai flew a crew from the U.S. to make the indoor ski area... all of the top engineers there were american or european.
May 12 2007 3:26PM
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SnowMedic
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Thats not true, And i might be wrog about this, Line invaders, the #1 pair of skis to break or delam.
May 12 2007 5:34PM
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SnowMedic
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...are made in China
May 12 2007 5:35PM
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patg
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but dubai isnt in africa...
May 12 2007 6:54PM
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SnowMedic
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Liquid force wakeboards are made there and they kick ass.
May 12 2007 8:13PM
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french_fry
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It does snow in the Atlas mountains, which are in Algeria and Morroco, possibly Tunisia as well. I believe there's even a resort there.
May 12 2007 8:51PM
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nothanks
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tick tock.
May 12 2007 11:49PM
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4FRNTSKIS
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Here is the definitive word on this issue (which actually was posted on November 11, 2006 in another forum on the same issue). The MSP, VCT and EHP models are made in Tunisia at the same factory that makes G3 and Movement. The STL, TNK and Grom models are produced at Elan. The molds are still our own and unique to 4FRNT. We no longer have any skis made at the Option factory in Vancouver. Enough said on that point.

As for the reason that the skis are made in Tunisia, it has nothing to do with cheaper materials -- it has to do with the quality of the skis. The factory makes top-quality products with materials sourced from the same places from which other factories in Europe (e.g., Elan, GST, Rossignol. Atomic, Fischer, etc.) source their materials. Labor is a bit cheaper in Tunisia and there are some tax benefits, which is why the owners of the factory moved it from Italy to Tunisia several years ago. Nidecker and some Salomon snowboards are made a factory just down the road. Virtually all of the big brands have factories in the Ukraine, which is extremely cheap labor. This is the reality in a market like skiing and snowboarding where virtually all consumers believe that prices are too high for them. Tunisia and the Ukraine are part of a rapidly expanding European Economic Community and, unlike China, do not allow their workers to be exploited. If they did, we would not produce there. Period.

I hope that clears this up. We are very proud of the quality of the skis that have come from our new factories and, for the record, there is absolutely no connection between 4FRNT and Movement other than having some products produced by the same manufacturer.

Thanks.
May 14 2007 7:31PM
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Love_Wins.
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Ahahah, I bet we all get banned for posting in this thread, 4FRNT likes to threaten/get people banned who talk bad about the stuff they make.
May 17 2007 10:39PM
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J.D.
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Pete you will never be banned, I won't allow it.
May 17 2007 11:41PM
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~skiblader~
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Israel is different though, they have higher standards of living, education, and I assume manufacturing as well... and obviously they're in the Middle East...
May 18 2007 3:01AM
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prophet
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whatever, south african skiing is ill



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May 18 2007 3:25AM
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prophet
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check it, theyve got a box

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May 18 2007 3:26AM
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Worst.NS.Member
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Well obviously Israel can manufacture F-16 avionics so yes they are in a different class. Education is MUCH higher there. I'm talking mid-east engineering in countires that lack good educational infrastructure. Morocco/Tunisia are North African and certainly ahead of the game, but I would be weary. I think the best thing 4frnt could do is post a factory tour with some product shots during the build, which would answer half of the labor/materials quality equation that skis rely on. Fact is, I've seen quality products from China in all fields, skiing, electronics, hi-fi, heavy machines, ships, snowboards, etc. But I've never owned a product from North Africa or the Levant that I liked. If 4frnt can turn a quality product out of these plants, it would certainly change my mind and a few others. Point is, they've yet to prove themselves.
Maybe I'll have a chance to demo some. But I wish them good luck in their new location either way. I'll stop in for mint tea and shisha some day  ^^
May 18 2007 8:44AM
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gregor
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Just thought Id point out that neither Ukraine or Tunisia are in the EU (Formerly the European Economic Community EEC). In fact Tunisia is in a seperate continent altogether. Jesus Americans have no sense of Geography.
May 18 2007 3:25PM
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dirty_dreb
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hey! its j.d gay!
May 18 2007 5:58PM
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[~_~]
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That croc head looks like one of Think Thank's creations.
May 18 2007 6:04PM
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Worst.NS.Member
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Generalization is lame :/
May 19 2007 5:26AM
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soradrightnow
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so, who got the usual vague, anonymous threat of "legal action" coming from 4frnt via PM over this thread?
May 19 2007 3:14PM
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Love_Wins.
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Bahahahahahahah.....I was wondering the same thing. How is this thread still here?
May 19 2007 3:44PM
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soradrightnow
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Who knows, maybe 4frnt is just busy trying to find a way to anonymously threaten everyone who READS it with "legal action"!
May 19 2007 3:53PM
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dom_uk
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hahaha does that actually happen?
May 19 2007 3:58PM
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soradrightnow
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It sure as fuck does. More than one person on this website has received anonymous threats of "legal action" from someone at 4frnt Skis.
May 19 2007 4:06PM
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Next year they will release their newest ski, the Nigger Stix
May 19 2007 8:39PM
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hawaiiansteeze
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watch out you could get banned for using the N word
May 19 2007 8:46PM
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haha you said "N word"
May 19 2007 9:16PM
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LeoSpaceman
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oh sick now since it's cheaper to make skis, they'll be able to actually give their riders some!!!!!!!!!
May 19 2007 9:19PM
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soradrightnow
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And you're gonna get threatened with "legal action"...any second now...wait for it...wait for it....BAM!
May 19 2007 9:43PM
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