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Hike n Huck Still on????

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AGrizSki
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Since that Big Lawsuit has happened and Jumps are closed across the Country is Loon still going to Hold Hike n Huck May 5th?????????????
Apr 23 2007 9:07PM
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skiierman
Posts: 28699 - Karma: -5,563
YES IT'S STILL ON BUT WE ARE GOING TO LINK UP A BUNCH OF COMPUTERS AND PLAY A NEW LEVEL OF JIBBERISH SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THE HIKE AND HUCK.
Apr 23 2007 9:14PM
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JockinJLoads
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please nobody say it
Apr 23 2007 9:16PM
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M+M
Posts: 7935 - Karma: 25
we do sighn waivers for hike n huck....hence it is our respoinsibilty so it should go on
Apr 23 2007 9:20PM
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Antoine.
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it better still be on
Apr 23 2007 9:36PM
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Chuckless
Posts: 336 - Karma: 13
it should be on... they had a lot of snow up there. but then again it was 88 today in concord which is only an hour away from loon.
Apr 23 2007 9:39PM
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creighton
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skiierman strikes again!
Apr 23 2007 9:40PM
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Chuckless
Posts: 336 - Karma: 13
yo i heard you just got some new skis! congrats!
Apr 23 2007 9:42PM
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KG_
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^ AWSOME!
Apr 23 2007 9:48PM
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R.Fahey
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Yeah, but buying a lift ticket is supposed to void just about anything as well. All that info on the back and the purchasing of it is supposed to sover their asses but it didn't work in WA.

And Amazing pull with the Creighton new skis thing.
Apr 23 2007 10:00PM
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Gnl.Weirdness
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lol jumps aren't closed
Apr 23 2007 10:01PM
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dozerr
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yeah its cancled. such a bummer
Apr 23 2007 10:03PM
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Chuckless
Posts: 336 - Karma: 13
what are you serious?? doesn't say anything on their website about it being canceled.
Apr 23 2007 10:39PM
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thejackal11177
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yea I talked to them about it today and I guess they dont feel like taking the risk. this sucks.
Apr 23 2007 10:58PM
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skiierman
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Yeah it's weird considering the comp. was a giant train last year with no spotters on the landing... oh and the year before that they where literally tossing shit up at people while they were trying to do a trick.
Apr 23 2007 10:59PM
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skimanskimanskim
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so gay, i can't beleve its canceled, this sucks.
Apr 23 2007 11:14PM
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KG_
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lets build a hike n huck at tucks
Apr 23 2007 11:16PM
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Chuckless
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im down... i can't hit up tucks until may 12th though

i heard theres no place to really build anything there though.
Apr 24 2007 8:05AM
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skithedirt
Posts: 1759 - Karma: 382
skiierman strikes again hes almost to 20,000
Apr 24 2007 8:08AM
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Joan
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yea right off the headwall then we can put rails over the crevasses so that its almost a slopestyle course, but id rather have it at loon.
Apr 24 2007 8:35AM
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Joan
Posts: 2944 - Karma: 1,305
its still on cuz Shredtillurdead knows the park manager and he says its still on......
Apr 24 2007 10:48AM
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STACKS
Posts: 1938 - Karma: 42
i can't believe this is true
Apr 24 2007 10:53AM
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japollner
Posts: 1699 - Karma: 459
Skiing Sucks anyway
Apr 24 2007 10:59AM
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LATARIANmilton
Posts: 866 - Karma: 418
this sucks, this means my season is over
Apr 24 2007 12:08PM
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DynastarriderGP
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i hate you
Apr 24 2007 12:23PM
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phatbush
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tucks might be a little steep
Apr 24 2007 12:27PM
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eastAR5
Posts: 15084 - Karma: 730
no theres a perfect spot for a booter where it gets flatter
Apr 24 2007 12:32PM
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andrewg
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skiierman strikes again!
Apr 24 2007 12:34PM
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KG_
Posts: 2198 - Karma: 20
steep landing
Apr 24 2007 1:23PM
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Melvs
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I'm trying to get the good word from Jay (Park dude at Loon), I'll let you know what he has to say as soon as I hear, might be a couple days though.
Apr 24 2007 1:26PM
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japie99
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Not from the us.... But are the jumps closed over all america? wtf....?
Apr 24 2007 1:29PM
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Melvs
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https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/293600/
Apr 24 2007 1:36PM
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HeathR
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nooo
Apr 24 2007 1:40PM
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Chuckless
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that link isn't working... but im assuming that it has to do with the washington case.

when this semester is overim gunna look up that case. im in law school and i wonder how the court overcame the liability waiver - since it is really basic contracts common law theory. from all the cases that ive read there have been lots of people paralyzed or injured in outdoor-sporting activities... from skiing, to triathlons, pucks to spectators in hockey games, baseballs which struck spectators at baseball games etc etc and the courts continually hold that liability waivers will excuse that party from liability - no matter how negligent they were. I'm really interested in this case... and wonder how it will effect ski area terrain parks elsewhere (just because a court ruled this way in washington state... doesn't mean that its binding elsewhere - but other courts can follow it if they choose to overturn existing case law)
Apr 24 2007 2:34PM
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*freeskierpj*
Posts: 1400 - Karma: 13
Yea but it is hike and huck...That means that you don't take the chair...you hike!!!
Apr 24 2007 2:37PM
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japollner
Posts: 1699 - Karma: 459
Waivers really dont do shit...

A waiver protects against any action not resulting from "negligence" on the part of the resort. There is no precedent for what consitutes a safe jump. Odds are this kid convinced a jury that the resort was negligent in maintaining a safe terrain park...
Apr 24 2007 2:49PM
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creighton
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u suck
Apr 24 2007 3:15PM
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M+M
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melvs, we should get a petition of some sort and have you send it to jay to show them that we want this and wer not gona sue them if we break our necks
Apr 24 2007 3:29PM
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Chuckless
Posts: 336 - Karma: 13
Waiver's definitely do "do shit"

A waiver is an express assumption of the risk - by contractual consent. Although it does not preclude liability of negligent maintenance as you mentioned... from the brief news article it seemed like the lawyer argued that the jump was negligently built since it was 'eyeballed'. I guess negligent maintenance of the terrain park might be a reason that the ct ruled this way - but I remember a case where this guy was diving into the water for a triathlon and the event holders were negligent b/c it wasn't safe for people to dive into this section but the waiver was upheld.

The only way around an exculpatory clause(liability waiver) is if it violates public policy... which it obviously doesn't since it has been used for decades in the instance of ski areas.

The best argument here would be that skiers have implied assumptions of the risk which is inferred from the inherently dangerous activity (this is most often applied to people who get hit with baseballs at games).

Anyway... that was way too long - but bottom line this sucks if they're really cancelling hike n huck becuase of that effin case.
Apr 24 2007 3:38PM
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japollner
Posts: 1699 - Karma: 459
Waivers get court cases thrown out, but a waiver cannot stop someone from sueing. No document can. If someone signs a waiver and sues, the resort is still going to have to hire a lawyer to take the case to court on their behalf. If that lawyer presents the waiver, and wins the case for the resort, the resort still has to chunk down a fair ammount of dough to that lawyer who defended them AND won the case on their behalf. If customers are getting hurt in parks (which is most often the case now adays) and suing the resorts, even though those cases are being thrown out, it is still costing the resorts money. Whether a park is worth the amount of money it brings in is debatable, but you need to keep in mind, the number one goal of any ski resort is to MAKE MONEY, not "progress the sport".
Apr 24 2007 3:55PM
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skiierman
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I can refute your long post with just one sentence... A waiver is just a piece of paper if there is negligence on one party's part. Trust me, there's a lot that can bypass any waiver, it's a matter of having the right people on your side.
Apr 24 2007 3:58PM
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Chuckless
Posts: 336 - Karma: 13
totally agree... especially with resorts as businesses - they're out to make money. And attorney's fees of course do suck... but the resort can recover attorney's fees if the ct finds that the lawsuit is frivolous. Which i would think that everyone that tries to sue because they got injured would be.

In any matter - hike n huck better still be on cuz i wanna still ski. Although I might not be able to go since my heel is still hurting from a couple of weeks ago when i overshot the first jump at loon throwin a 5.
Apr 24 2007 4:01PM
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Chuckless
Posts: 336 - Karma: 13
lol that doesn't make any sense at all.

skierman strikes again?
Apr 24 2007 4:29PM
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Uncle_Remus
Posts: 1880 - Karma: 368
So is hike and huck on???
Apr 24 2007 4:55PM
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eastAR5
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this is so beat
Apr 24 2007 4:58PM
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Melvs
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it's gonna be a day or two, my friend who I had contact him (I don't have Jay's info) is traveling until tomorrow morning.... but we'll see what he has to say before we make that call.
Apr 24 2007 5:13PM
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HeathR
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it might not make sense but its true. Risk managment is a shitty class but u learn about all this bullshit. If waivers got rid of liability it would be bad too. You could make the sketchiest shit and if people died it woudlent matter as long as u had a waiver. We need to find somthing in the middle.
Apr 24 2007 5:18PM
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japollner
Posts: 1699 - Karma: 459
fuck, I lost all the numbers in my phone...

...I could go to Jay's house and beat it out of him...
Apr 24 2007 5:24PM
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alev
Posts: 7819 - Karma: 410
i really hope it happens, im sorta banking on it. if they dont have it we should still hike up and sesh it up there on that day, im gonna be up there and was really hoping to go
Apr 24 2007 6:30PM
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M+M
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^ word to that, i was looking forward to one mroe dope sesh, its ussually always a great time
Apr 24 2007 6:33PM
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Melvs
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haven't confirmed anything with Jay, but rumors are going around that certain (peaceful) people are spreading mean lies...
Apr 24 2007 7:30PM
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