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Problems with my progression...

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j.eriksen
Posts: 141 - Karma: 11
i can do 180`s, 360`s and 540`s with decent grabs but i have a problem with my progression... i feel real comfortable ridin switch and can do sw 180,360... the same thing on boxes and rails... 270`on and off boxes and 270 off rails, but it stops there... any tips??? i would like to learn corks and flips
Apr 14 2007 10:33AM
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--Daniel--
Posts: 1248 - Karma: 8
just go for it?
Apr 14 2007 11:15AM
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ski_cartel
Posts: 6598 - Karma: 18
progression takes time, its not a over night thing. Sometimes it will take a whole season to get a certian goal you set for your self. Just keep trying, you'll get it eventually.

anthoer thing that contributes to the amount of pregression is the pople you ride with. Certian crowds will push you harder. Riding with the right crew helps alot as well. 
Apr 14 2007 11:20AM
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Stan_Darsh
Posts: 3057 - Karma: 185
you have to not be afraid to fall or get hurt. anyone can be good at skiing if they ski alot and have balls
Apr 14 2007 11:28AM
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Colt45er
Posts: 1650 - Karma: 336
trampoline...... answer to all these questions.  you dont only learn, you also have a lower risk of getting hurt opposed to trying it on the snow. muscle memory.
Apr 14 2007 11:31AM
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Love_Wins.
Posts: 5536 - Karma: -1
Totally agree, I tend to progress alot more when I'm with people who push me to ride harder and try new things.
Apr 14 2007 1:24PM
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crazyfuck
Posts: 5968 - Karma: -7
bullshit bullshit bullshit.

last i checked, Simmers went ahead and pointed out that he wakes up afraid to go skiing everyday. being afraid, living with that fear and turning it into motivation and wisdom is key. sure, giv'n'er is fun sometimes, but in an environment like the park, it's a touch wiser to make some calculated decisions before dropping in. call me a pussy, but after breaking my back, i like to think i've become a little smarter about how i ski. i'm sure that kid who missed the landing at the Candide rail jam was pumped on throwing a massive carve off that lip and just goin balls to the walls. it totally sucks that he slammed so hard, but come on- it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that jump was SUPER narrow. being afraid is natural, knowing how to use that fear, though, takes time.

as for the "anyone can be good" comment... that's fucking laughable. i know some kids with some serious balls who ski damn near every day... who are awkward as hell and would probably die if they left the midwest. they just suck, they're not athletically inclined, but they dig skiing so they keep at it. it takes a lot more than balls and time to make a good skier, buddy, and you're a fuckin moron for thinking otherwise.
Apr 14 2007 1:37PM
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kepler.
Posts: 8761 - Karma: 139
besides the "fucks" and "shits" that was a really intelligent reply. props
Apr 14 2007 1:48PM
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JibEarth
Posts: 753 - Karma: 26

in freestlye skiing there are platos u hit u are at one right now. jsut ski alot and try new stuff evrey day doesnt ahve to be big stuff like trow a new grab eventually u will jsut ry a cork then it opens up a whole new plato. the day u try corks u will learn like 3 diffrent tricks that day.

Apr 14 2007 1:55PM
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DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX
Posts: 1859 - Karma: 1,664

yep fo show.you just have to cammit to whatever your trying and practice in till u stomp the trick

Apr 14 2007 1:58PM
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artfullydodged
Posts: 8358 - Karma: 1,674
attempt stuff, it is a really good way to learn
Apr 14 2007 3:50PM
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SmoothLikeButter
Posts: 399 - Karma: 16
i think you need a mixture of wisdom and balls.
Apr 14 2007 4:25PM
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Colt45er
Posts: 1650 - Karma: 336
correct, and something good with progression is to be feeding off of other people.  you do need to have natural talent, you will notice if someone is going nowhere with the sport.  you just need to survey and think about stuff before you do it, be smart.
Apr 14 2007 4:33PM
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ski_powpow
Posts: 1247 - Karma: 1,200
practice new things in the pow
Apr 14 2007 8:31PM
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1-pippin
Posts: 1741 - Karma: -2
yeah i had the same problem this year, i wouldnt try anything different so i stayed the same, then one day i just said fuck it and started trying lots of crazy new stuff, i learned more in one day than i did in a whole year. so i guess if you wanna progress fast, just go for it all the time.
Apr 14 2007 8:34PM
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emopoppins
Posts: 3996 - Karma: 269
try it when its soft and for rails i found just go for it and you'll most likely make it. surprising yourself is half the fun.
Apr 14 2007 9:19PM
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First.Aid
Posts: 556 - Karma: 10
Use your fear to try something new, and when you get it, it's so much easier IMO.
Apr 14 2007 9:31PM
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quixotic
Posts: 6937 - Karma: 2,978
yeah, ALWAYS ride with people in your crew who are better than you. just their precense makes me need to push my self to keep up.
Apr 14 2007 11:10PM
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Rez4frederick
Posts: 4740 - Karma: 40
I disagree.  If you ski ALOT and also have BALLS, you will get good, no questions.  Yea you might not become a pro, but you will still be pretty damn good at your local mountain.  And also you mentioned the "midwest" , im not dissing the midwest at all, but out west, you get to ski ALOT more vertical thus getting alot more practice in.  crazyfuck, if you seriously think that people are born good skiers, you are laughable.  Yea it helps alot if you learned at a young age, but it doesnt mean you cant get good if you are older either. 

And for the progression question, just keep working on those same tricks mang.  1,3's and 5's are soo dope.  You can do soo much different shit with those small spins.  Shifties, steeeze, grabs.  As for corks, just wait til the spring/summer and start hucking, you will probably wreck, but wrecking is the only way to learn.  Im in the same boat though for the most part, im sort of at a wall as far as progression, but my mountains park blows so its hard to get really good at park.  But i get sick of the park anyways, so it doesnt really matter to me. 
But honestly, just spending massive amounts of time on your skis buttering and 180'ing, 3'ing off of everything you come across will help you alot.
Apr 14 2007 11:20PM
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gregor
Posts: 1069 - Karma: 83
I am in exactly the same boat as you. I just can't step it up to inverted tricks or big spins. WWWWHHHHHHHYYYYYYY???????
Apr 15 2007 7:40AM
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t4thoroski
Posts: 671 - Karma: 19
hike up your skirt and try different tricks. don't be a sally and you'll be alright.
Apr 15 2007 7:51AM
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coop-son
Posts: 783 - Karma: 28
think it. focus. land it
Apr 15 2007 10:40AM
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crazyfuck
Posts: 5968 - Karma: -7
point out where i said "people are born good skiers." i know that's complete horseshit, but there really are (believe it or not) some people who just simply aren't athletes, no matter how hard they try or how much they ski. they might become BETTER than they were at the beginning of the season, but these kids i have in mind will never be "good" in my book and i really don't have that high of standards, frankly because i tend to not care about how good or bad someone else is. the point i was making, that i think you would agree with, is that it takes more than just time and testes to become a good skier- natural athletic ability, formal training or really any kind of instruction, riding with good people who will help push you but also help you make good decisions to keep you healthy, a variety of terrain so you can continue to challenge yourself as you progress, etc. there are many factors that go into making a good skier and i think it's safe to say that any pro on here would agree with me (not trying to say that since they're pro, they're all-knowing and supernatural, just that they've come from the bottom to the top and might have learned a thing or two along the way).

Seth Morrison isn't the best big mountain skier on the planet because he has huge balls and is out there everyday- he had years of race training to lay down a great base of fundamentals and he personally attributes much of his great form and abilities to that racing beginning. Tanner and a ton of other jibbers were mogul skiers before they went pro for freestyle and i'd go ahead and bet that CCREWSOLDIER would be the first to tell you that balls and time will only take you so far.

so, feel free to continue to tell me that all i have to do is giv'er everyday and i'll be sick, but if that's really what you think makes a good skier- strictly balls and time- i think you have your head up your ass.
Apr 15 2007 10:58AM
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crazyfuck
Posts: 5968 - Karma: -7
oh, and anyone who thinks that being in the midwest and skiing Marquette Mountain's park everyday puts me at some kind of disadvantage just because i'm in the midwest doesn't know what they're talking about. come to Marquette Mountain and try to tell me the park isn't sick.
Apr 15 2007 11:15AM
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Stan_Darsh
Posts: 3057 - Karma: 185
alright. shut the fuck up. seriously why would you go and attack me like that for making a post of my opinion. all those "fucks" "shit" and "fucking moron" were completely unnecessary. and i still disagree with you becasue i take it from personal experience. once i got over the fear of crashing i have progressed so much more.
Apr 15 2007 1:30PM
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Krush
Posts: 1312 - Karma: 12
a problem i had was that if i was going do progress the jumps at my current hill were just too small. maybe u hav the sam problem
Apr 15 2007 1:33PM
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Park_Rider_435
Posts: 834 - Karma: 9
so if you go for something dont think about it alot and picture it in your head saying you can do it
Apr 15 2007 1:40PM
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crazyfuck
Posts: 5968 - Karma: -7
why would i do that? hmmm... maybe because it was horrible advice. just maybe.

and if you really have a problem with the "fucks" and "shits", which there aren't even that many of, grow a pair.
Apr 15 2007 1:44PM
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Stan_Darsh
Posts: 3057 - Karma: 185
i dont have a problem it was just completely unnecessary to come at me like that. you are a stupid ignorant fuckhead. open your mind a little bit

you could have said "no i dont agree with you" instead of "you fucking moron"
Apr 15 2007 1:55PM
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crazyfuck
Posts: 5968 - Karma: -7
no, i definitely think that if anyone honestly believes that all it takes to be a good skier is time and balls, they are a fucking moron. if that's what you really think, that's what you are.
Apr 15 2007 1:58PM
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Stan_Darsh
Posts: 3057 - Karma: 185
ok, what does it take to be a good skier then?
like any fucking thing you do, more practice makes you better. if you are honestly trying to tell me that spending more time skiing will not help someone progress, then i dont even know what to say to you. you must be completely fucking retarded if that is the case. yeah there may be some other factors but being able to take risks and be confident/not afraid is obviously going to help you progress, as well as just skiing alot.

like i said, im taking this from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE it has helped me, so i threw it out there thinking it might help him.sorry for trying to help a brotha out
Apr 15 2007 2:11PM
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t_rob
Posts: 6433 - Karma: 11,459
haha i remember that post. the guys like oh yeah pros don't get scared. and symms said i think i'm pro and i get scared. then the guys like you aren't pro and everyone started bashing him. so funny.
Apr 15 2007 2:24PM
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parkchilla
Posts: 445 - Karma: 12
Buy a trampoline for the cork spins and invert spins, start hucking more than a five off bigger jumps and start doing 270's on rails
Apr 15 2007 2:31PM
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crazyfuck
Posts: 5968 - Karma: -7
pretty sure i already listed a number of things.

i've been skiing for over a decade, i'm really not afraid of anything besides my dad (let's be honest, dad's can fucking rage), i've had years of formal race training, and i ski with a group of very good riders. you say all it takes is time and balls to become a good skier, but explain to me how a number of my friends, who i've been skiing with since i first started, who never had any formal instruction, have no fear (some of the shit these kids do is just plain stupid- driving their car off a loading dock, for example), and don't really ski with a good group of skiers totally suck. they've been skiing for over 10 years, 60-80 days a season, don't know fear, and they suck. they go out there, huck their carcasses off jumps and throw pencil 1s and 3s, eat shit and die on a regular basis, really fucking go balls to the walls, and they aren't good at skiing.

so, what should i tell them? grow a pair and spend more time on the hill? hell no. it's how you spend that time on the hill that makes you a good skier. furthermore, these kids (two of them especially) have no athletic abilities to speak of. they're awkward in the air, on the snow, standing still, carrying their skis from their car to the base. they're awkward walking down the sidewalk, how the hell do you expect them to become good skiers? even if they did spend more time on the hill, it wouldn't do anything. some people simply aren't athletes, period. not everyone has an IQ of 140, not everyone can ski well. saying all it takes to be a good skier is time and balls is like saying all it takes to become a good airplane pilot is time and balls- there's a whole helluva lot more to it than just time and guts.

there's a lot more to being good at anything than time and balls.
Apr 15 2007 3:39PM
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Stan_Darsh
Posts: 3057 - Karma: 185
alright. first off, i never did say ALL it takes to become a good skier is balls and time. as i stated in my previous post, there are some other factors such as natural ability and others.

Second, there is a Huge difference between having enough balls to drive your car off a loading dock or whatever the fuck you are talking about and having enough balls to try a new trick.

Thirdly "even if they did spend more time on the hill it wouldnt do anything" that statement is the biggest bullshit i've ever heard. unless all your friends do on teh mountain is go off in the woods and fuck each other, then they are obviously going to get better at skiing by skiing more. it is like anything in life. how do you get good at basketball? you go spend a bunch of time practicing and shooting hoops. how do you get better at guitar? you spend a bunch of time playing guitar.

Everyone can progress in their own different way. skiing alot and having the balls to try things is what has greatly progressed my skiing. obviously you have to work your ass off to become good at anything. if you spend time skiing, you will learn how to ski well. you nned to have balls to try new things. and then you need to keep working your ass off to get style and progress. ski with kids that push you.
Apr 15 2007 4:06PM
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bjornski7
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first of all you asked why these kids you you've "been skiing with since [you] first started" aren't good. but you also said that they don't ski with a good group of skiers, so in essence you aren't a good skier despite your "formal race training."

second, we are talking about progression here. sure every one needs a solid base of skiing, you can't just go out and huck big tricks, but once you have that base, and i would say j.eriksen has based on what he said he can already do, there is something that separates the men from the boys.
you have to be willing to go big without fearing what might happen if you eat mad shit (aka as balls). and you have to be up there everyday trying to get better.

of course there are exceptions to the rule, some kids do start skiing later and can just tear it up, but those are rare. and even then i would say those kids have balls.
Apr 15 2007 5:05PM
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aronSKIP
Posts: 124 - Karma: 11
Even though u don't notice i think you're progressing just going out and skiing. Maybe just hit the same feature all day doing the same thing on it, and at the end of the day it'll come out better then at the start.

And as for corks and inverts just start easy or go to water ramps/trampolines it'll come for sure.

Apr 15 2007 5:46PM
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emopoppins
Posts: 3996 - Karma: 269
these are all reall good points. i hope the kid who posted this is reading it because it helped me.
Apr 15 2007 10:28PM
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KG_
Posts: 2198 - Karma: 20
the more u do those tricks, the more ur style can grow, n i think style is better than that spin to win bs. spend the offseason w a trampoline
Apr 15 2007 10:30PM
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jacobski
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Word.
Also, some kids just don't have natural ability or style. Style is the way you live your life, it's individual, that's why skiing is such a dope experience, it's an expression of yourself. You can pick your fav pro out on film because of their style, even if everyone is doing the same trick.
Remember there is a difference between good and GREAT.
i.e. Seth Morrison:
-race training
-natural ability
-practice
-balls of steel
-ftw attitude
-MAD style. Not just in his skiing.
=a GREAT skier. Legendary. It's a combination of factors already discussed.
Apr 15 2007 10:51PM
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SteezonSkis
Posts: 174 - Karma: 11
Quit Skiing
Apr 16 2007 12:36AM
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[~_~]
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you really are a crazy fuck, you know that?
Apr 16 2007 12:55AM
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