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theBOSS.
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I lot of people complain about how hucked and ugly tricks are, and that style is everything, but just think about from thsi view. The first 720 was hucked. The first 900 was hucked. But through work we have turned them into nice smooth tricks.I think we really need to see a few of the big pros stepping it up and trying bigger stuff. We are so concerned and focused on style that in a way, its slowing down the prograssion of the sport. Riders aren't trying bigger stuff because it looks 'ugly' but through a lot of hard work that same trick could be smooth as hell. Take CR for example. His first 1260's were probably the ugliest things in the world, but I think by thet time he got them down they were pretty damn smooth. But since people said it was ugly and hucked, he didnt try to step it up more. There really has to be a positive attitude to this stuff and we're not seeing that either.

Now I'm not talking about like 1800's and double misty's, but just stuff that you never see done. Double lincons, rodeo 9's and 10's, flat 9's and 10's, stuff like that may look really ugly to you now, but just like the first 720 people will learn to make the trick more fluent and smooth and eventually it will look good.

Just my two cents

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Jul 9 2003 12:46PM
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one of the scrab brothers did a double misty 720, which was really a 1440 all together.

some arielist did a 1800 in a quad backflip, which doesnt count because he is an arielest.
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Jul 9 2003 1:27PM
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ive never seen a switch flatspin.
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Jul 9 2003 1:28PM
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switch flatspin would be sweet
Jul 9 2003 1:32PM
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Think a big problem is that a lot of the sponsored guys know that their livelihood rests on them being healthy. They don't want to risk injury and possibly losing a sponsorship. I'd rather see them try to be more creative. Don't want to see this sport going in the direction of aerials where they just throw 2-3 tricks in the top level that are the most difficult humanly possible.
Jul 9 2003 1:32PM
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wiglaf
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pep does switch flat720s, there in strike3, and more people should do flat9s like JF in propaganda that was sick
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Jul 9 2003 2:01PM
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EastCoastPride
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Skogen does a switch flat 7 in Stereotype.


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Jul 9 2003 2:22PM
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lanks
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haha, the schrab bros do 1800s off water ramps and double misties. soooooooooooooo ugly, will never look cool. EVER.


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Jul 9 2003 2:54PM
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Ghost
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You have to huck a double lincoln so hard just to get the second flip around.

If someone knows of a way to add style into it, please tell me.

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Jul 9 2003 5:52PM
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so switch in the bc isnt progression, thats bending ur words but i mean come on, why would u want to spin 4 times around, but yes switch flatspins are the shit
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Jul 9 2003 6:03PM
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i dont think a double lincoln would look good no matter what

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Jul 9 2003 6:31PM
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Papa
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i think you're wrong, the sport is not all about going bigger and stepping it up, in some ways ya it is, but it's also about expressing yourself and style is a huge part, i'd rather have mad style on a 720 or 540 than a sloppy 900 or 1080. style is way better than hugeness
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Jul 9 2003 7:52PM
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BrodyLeven
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Ross,I've never thought of that. That's such a good point, seriously. Good for you, and may thepros that read this take it into consideration.
I say pros because as much as we think so, pros are the ones that influence us all. If they start trying it, every kid wit twin tips and his butt buddy will too.


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Jul 9 2003 8:03PM
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butters in the half pipe will step it up. you watch.
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Jul 9 2003 8:05PM
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BrodyLeven
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and in response to papa and a few others, if you think about it, 'hucked' is a style
I mean, people have slow styles, tweaked styles, hucked styles, fast styles, straight styles, primate styles...


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Jul 9 2003 9:20PM
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schlonginator
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didn't also one of the scrab brothers do a switch backflip to 180 then to front flip?




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Jul 9 2003 10:00PM
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The sport has a good blend i think of both people stylin out there tricks, but also goin big, i mean if you look at the tricks bein thrown to win comps, jon olson's switch rodeo 10, mikeal's switch cork 10 or whatever he threw at the us open. But then u also have people workin on stylie corked three's and other stuff.
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Jul 9 2003 11:25PM
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theBOSS.
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' think you're wrong, the sport is not all about going bigger and stepping it up, in some ways ya it is, but it's also about expressing yourself and style is a huge part, i'd rather have mad style on a 720 or 540 than a sloppy 900 or 1080. style is way better than hugeness'

What I'm saying is, if we work on the 900 and the 10, it wont be sloppy, and it will get way smoother. Obviously anyone would take a smooth trick over a sloppy one, but with the right frame of mind we can transform that sloppy trick into a much smoother one.
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Jul 10 2003 1:11AM
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well I think the first sevens were sketchy and evovled, but I find it hard to believe we will evolve to do 1800's stylish.. I mean how is that progressing the sport? its just doing the same spin over and over, why not just do a smooth 7.. it has the big spin element, can be smooth, and stylish, an 1800 would just take longer and be more sketchy. However I can see where your coming from, I believe the evolution will be found in modifications/personal altercations to fundamental tricks.
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Jul 10 2003 1:20AM
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theBOSS.
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yeah, 1800 is a little much. I meant like 10's, 12's' and maybe 1440's at the most. And flat 9's and rodeo 10's, stuff like that
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Jul 10 2003 1:23AM
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umm ya pep does switch flat 9s Levin (jibtech) even posted it on here. so sick. you see who's winning the comps though? it's retarded, there needs to be more rider judged comps.
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Jul 10 2003 1:26AM
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Schlonginator, that is true about the switch back 180 to front. One of the brothers through that in the 01 U.S. Open Big Air. The amount of speed that he hit it with switch was unheard of at the time.
Jul 10 2003 1:27AM
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Ahmets_Brother
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what about a forward pep role. he does them fakie but i want to see it forward

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Jul 10 2003 9:40AM
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the pep role is fuckin sick, was it in blunt this year
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Jul 10 2003 10:28AM
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BrodyLeven
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Another thing: style can only progress the sport so much. we can only tweak stuff so hard. we need to step it up, in a bigger sense, besides air and style, one day.


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Jul 10 2003 2:46PM
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he's got a great point. Who is anyone to say that we are not capable of pushing the boundaries to a whole new level?

I believe that we are only limited by our own limits that we place upon ourselves.

Honestly, how many people said skiing at this level was impossible? That huge flips off huge cliffs would never be done?
Landing switch off of a jump in superpark, Backflips onto a rail? did people 10 years ago think that would be possible?


No, they didn't.

There are always people who are going to say what can't be done. They are the speculators.
The people who will rise to the top are those who can see the bigger picture; past them.

Everyone told Columbus that he was wrong. That what he was embarking on was impossible. Think about that.

Styling out a 1440... impossible? only if we believe it is.

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Jul 10 2003 4:02PM
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^ word bro.

guys, it is up to US. the NONpros, to step it up, I think.

In a way, only. however.

like, if the pros started doing the stuff we're talking about, we all would too, and the sport would step up.

however, if WE do these things, and the pros find out what the future of the sport (us) is doing, and what we want, they have no choice- they need to sell vids and mags.

all you guys saying it won't happen...think about how typical you will sound in 5 or 10 years. you KNOW we will get to this point, so why not admit it?

it's like my friends saying 'oh, i'm not addicted to smoking, I could stop any day'---if only they could hear themselves! all the videos we watch in health, all the media, all the FACTS! that isn't true! they sound like a movie themselves, SO typical! if only they could hear themselves.

this is the same principal. we WILL progress the sport in this way: bigger tricks. there is NO doubt about it. think how silly you'll sound in 5 years. if you don't AGREE with what the sport will turn into, let us know. but don't just say it won't happen.
we are the future of the sport boys, we need to make sure it'll be exciting, we need to pick up the popularity, we need to attract new riders!


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Jul 10 2003 6:20PM
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bump
don't let this die. this is a very legitimat topic, and it's something we all need to think about, unless we want our sport going to ruins.


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Jul 10 2003 7:00PM
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ugly but you gatta appreciate them for going reducilously huge
Jul 10 2003 7:37PM
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i definitely think going bigger is important. That backflip to frontlip was my favorite trick in propaganda. It looked so smooth and different. Doubling stuff up could add so much more to the sport. A backflip into a cork or something could look so sweet.

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That back to front wasn't in Propaganda, it was in SM2.
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Jul 11 2003 3:26AM
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Ahmets_Brother
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take a look at dave crichton. he styled the fuck out of a fakie 1080 mute. he could of made it look stylie with a 1260. the sport is stepping up but no one has figured out that new style.

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Jul 11 2003 9:12AM
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theBOSS.
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exactly^

I remember watching videos of 1080's 4-5 years ago, it was hucked as hell, no grab or anything, and I thought to myself 'wow, that was really amazing' Back then the sport really wasnt as much about style as it was going big and doing new stuff. Today, if we watched that same clip, we would prolly say stuff about having no style, etc.

We really need to get in that frame of mind again, a frame of not just style, but going bigger, and doing things that were thought to be impossible. I liked propaganda because it kind of brought this idea back from the dead a little, there were so many new ideas and it just showed so much progression. Then when we look at this years movies, they still show this a little (ex. morrisons segments) but for the most part its just the same stuff with more 'style'

Going back to crichtons 10, think about it this way. He only had to spin it 1/10th faster to get 1260, a small change like that you wouldnt even notice. Is it that much harder to put in a nice grab when your only spinning 1/10 faster? Its all a mental thing, we dont want to believe that a smooth 1440 can be done because of what weve seen and been told so far. We dont want to risk losing comps, or getting told we have no style, so in a way, we are slowing the sport down.
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Jul 11 2003 1:26PM
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i think the young jibbers are our future
Jul 11 2003 1:31PM
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Ghost
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wow, so true cruz.

there are plenty of new things that amazes me though, rory's switchup on the rail for one, and huge tricks over crevass gaps.

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Jul 11 2003 1:37PM
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Ahmets_Brother
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rails will keep stepping up but i totally agree with cruz. with this thought in our head we wont step up in tricks. we need to take thtat chance of it being ugly

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Jul 11 2003 7:36PM
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mommy
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somebody needs to go faggo-loco and do a inverted frontwards rotation.
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