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LETS BUILD CONDOS!!!

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Drail
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**warning** I am just ranting here... not even sure if any of it makes sence - so it's ok if you hate.


what happened? did skiing become less fun? i mean, it's not like it's gotten to expensive... golf is still about the golf isn't it?

soon ski resorts will be thinking of ways to keep winter away so the golf course can stay open all year and they don't have to deal with chairlifts, snow conditions, and the failing industry that is skiing.


or maybe we're just jelous of europe and are trying to compensate for that by giving the impression that people actually live in the mountains in canada, not just around them...

i don't know... maybe instead of selling condo's for money the ski resort's around the world could get into public trading and have shares... like when you buy your seasons pass you get a share with the option to invest more if you want... or something. a way the ski hill can make money off skiing without having to build a condo.

and they need to take the environment into account. charge more for lift tickets based on how much damage the hill does, or has done.



and what's with people on EI saying stupid shit like "what about the poor people in africa" you're on EI you stupid fuck..
Mar 9 2007 2:38PM
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killabees
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all i read was the last few words. and im not sure if its ur signature. but it says cocky .hahahaha
Mar 9 2007 2:39PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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you need to give more info this thread doenst make much sense, and the charging more for lift tickets is an aweful idea,
Mar 9 2007 2:41PM
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mckeeman
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im on EI, but i dont say "what about the kids in africa"

EI though is paying for all my school to be a carpenter so I can build condos all over the place.
Mar 9 2007 2:55PM
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waynewong
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Answer -

Support homegrown hills - Silverton type places - under-developed non-mega resort owned places -

True old school ski areas with a base lodge, moguls - where skiers are measured by how many laps they ski and not how sick their jersey matches their goggles.


I learned to ski in 1979 and grew up with ski instructor parents in Veromont in the 80s - I miss those hills - places like Magic, Bromely, Ascuntney etc... Stratton before its base village.

Skiings roots are not about bling ... skiing used to be a bum sport... cheap food, cheap tickets, duct tape and fun

Now it is all rich kids who can't buy a turn



As my bumper sticker says - "Not interwested!!!"

Mar 9 2007 2:57PM
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rodenski5
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Question: How many inches does your e-peen grow each time someone is bewildered by your pseudointellectual nonsensical rambling?
Mar 9 2007 3:11PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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.25 on a good day
Mar 9 2007 3:22PM
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GreenStezz
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? ok
Mar 9 2007 3:26PM
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Onskis1111
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I wish mountains weren't owned by anyone. It's be sweet if all you pay for is purely operational and expansion.
Mar 9 2007 4:06PM
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wrenegade
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Operating a hill is expensive. Lift tickets would be much higher if it weren't for real estate bringing profitability back. Weather is too unpredictable (as seen this season) and fluctuation of skier visits makes it difficult to guarantee revenues.

The problem is skiing is too service based now. The restaurants are too nice, too big, the customer service is too good. I don't give a shit about stuff like that, most people here wouldn't either. But the average skier has gotten used to it and demands it from everywhere. Thus operating costs skyrocket and they have to sell condos to make up for it. Condos also somewhat guarantee business for the resort. You sure as hell are going to head up to the mountain if you've got half a million (or more) invested in the place.

As waynewong said, support places like silverton. Problem is, not many of those places left anymore. And Mike, my guess is you're probably complaining about Red moving towards Resort status, but the new owners want more cash. Private Equity firms don't give a shit about the experience, they want a better return on their investment.

The only one way to fix the problem, cause the industry isn't changing anytime soon, is to buy some skins and hike for your own turns. Or give up and try and profit from the problem. Construction companies pay a hell of a lot better than restaurants do.
Mar 9 2007 5:00PM
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Craigskis
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I am also on the EI Ski team, I think far more social reforms must be done in Canada. Looking at our declining population, the maturing work force, and the nightmare the baby boomers are going to create when they start dumping there investments, I really don't think Skiing is going to be the least of our worries in 20 years. Who knows blue mountain might even get a watertube park opened year round by then!
Mar 9 2007 5:06PM
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Alpineslide
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im in a condo right now and surrounded by goofy old people and pre-metaposial women
Mar 9 2007 10:54PM
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DANETRON
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how does skiing ruin the environment?
Mar 9 2007 10:57PM
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Jib_This
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Condos...it's how people make money.

Restaurants, service, blah blah blah...it's how people make money.

How do you make a million dollars running a ski hill? Just like you do in publishing...start off with 2 million.

Don't like it? Don't blame corporations, don't just be a bitch, start getting all upset about capitalism and the related economic effects.
Mar 9 2007 11:08PM
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Jib_This
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And then fucking do something about it, instead of whining like some anti-olympics protester.
Mar 9 2007 11:09PM
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Nicholas.
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my mountain (smuggs...americas family resort...) has so many condos you cant even park because they put so many in, there are like 100 parking spots and 500 condos. its retarded. also because they spend all their millions on the condos we have nothing for lifts but slow doubles.
Mar 9 2007 11:23PM
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mtbakerteacher
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baker is still old school and homegrown =)
and we can't put condos in because we are on forest service land with a 100 year lease.
so i say, everyone go east! highway 542!
Mar 9 2007 11:39PM
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Drail
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how does skiing ruin the environment?

well, how do you think the lifts are powered, all the big suv's and shit that drive to the hill everyday (most with just one person - who don't pick up hitch hikers). the skis you are riding arn't any good for the planet... plus all the development on the hill and around the base that totally throws off the local wildlife population, and even though you may think that canada is full of endless wilderness, building a town in 5 years where it used to be a nice old growth forest so that people can come live in a condo for three weekends of the year really isn't the best thing to do.


the act of riding down a mountain of snow on it's own isn't bad for the environment, but everything leading up to that point (including the wax that makes you get down better - which is bad not only for the planet, but to your body as well) is bad.
Mar 10 2007 3:08PM
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mtbakerteacher
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agreed, but skiing itself (even the wax) isnt enough impact to do any damage
only the lifts, getting to the mountain and all the fossil fuel burning stuff is a problem
Mar 10 2007 10:08PM
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Drail
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the wax isn't having an impact? the same chemical that we use in our wax is the same chemical that is used for stuff like dental floss, teflon, gortex, and basicly anything designed to repel water. it's a cancerous agent that takes 30 000 years to break down. it stays for around 30 years in your body when digested, and residue was found in the digestive tract of a polar bear up north.

and ya know what? since it's so good at repelling snow/water it just sits around on the snow all winter. What do you think is the first thing to get into the watershead every spring from the ski hill? all I can say is, I never eat snow from the ski hill, it's got more nasty shit in there than you would ever want to know.
Mar 11 2007 3:29PM
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hoodratz47
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yeah.. there trying to make hood into a mega resort town... but its funny. the condos they just built are already falling apart and nobodys buying them.. they tryed to fix up govey by painting over the walls(figure of speech)and the price of living has gone up.. its really sad to se jeff khonastam of timberline lodge just saying fuck this nice thing we have here and im gonna put more money in my pocket. and then the put a liqor store in,, which is fuckin awsome.. i mean the exterior has changed but the spirt is still ther.. but oregon is nice like all the ski areas. have just a lodge and shop.. its way better then having to walk 20 min through "intrerwestville" just to get to the lift... but i really doubt it will stay in its curret "quiant" way.
Mar 11 2007 3:37PM
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powder99
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im all about taking skiing back to its roots, im actually working on a business plan to introduce a club field stlye area in BC, but when we start talking about wax having an effect on the environment i think we are taking it a step to far, plenty of other environmental effects with way bigger impacts to worry about then the wax left over on my skis
Mar 11 2007 5:05PM
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MADr.
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Mt. Baker will always, always kick ass. It just doesnt know how to do anything else.
Mar 11 2007 5:19PM
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mtbakerteacher
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haha word
Mar 11 2007 5:20PM
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Static
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if you think ski wax actually has a major impact on the environment you're crazy. Show me one study where millions of gallons of melt off are effected by chemicals in the little bit of wax that rubs off. And some ski area's use wind generated power for the lifts, that's a start. You can't really use people driving to the ski areas either, I mean shit we have to drive everywhere. If the ski area's offered free horse drawn carraiges to the base I'd be all over it, assuming they were fast horses.
Mar 11 2007 7:21PM
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