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Ar6 vs. Dumont

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bemmis
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which is:
flexier?
lighter?
more durable?

any specific experiences?
Mar 6 2007 7:55PM
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ikellen
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Dumont has a rounder flex, where the AR6 is soft in the tip and tail and stiffer underfoot. Weight is a toss up until someone puts them on a scale, but I think the AR6 is lighter IMO. Durability is a toss up, AR6 is sandwich construction where the Dumont is cap.
Mar 6 2007 8:26PM
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titsLOL
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for the love of god stop making these threads.
Mar 6 2007 8:33PM
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anxju
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i have ar6's and my bros have dumonts. the dumonts seem to be a bit more durable cause of cap construction, but thats really all i can give you
Mar 6 2007 8:44PM
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skier24
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are next years wider in the 181?
Mar 6 2007 9:15PM
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lyndon
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I couldnt agree more. He has made 11 threads on ONE setup. We have told you thousands of times, the ar6 with px12, p12, or deadbolts 412 are the best setup for the skiing you are going to be doing. You are simply milking NS for every last drop of attention, adn STOP. problem solved.
Mar 6 2007 10:05PM
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bemmis
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i ride 65% park, 30% all-mountain, and 5% other.
how would the round flex effect the feel and the ride of the ski?
Mar 6 2007 10:10PM
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lyndon
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I have no idea what you are asking, but by the time you mae up your mind, there will be no snow....just buy a setup and stop making threads
Mar 6 2007 10:13PM
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bemmis
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i wont be able to buy these for a while so i expect i wont be able to use them until next season.
Mar 6 2007 10:14PM
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bemmis
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playful? and what about them makes them more fun in the park?
Mar 6 2007 10:50PM
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bemmis
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Mar 7 2007 8:19AM
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DUBIE
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then get the ar6 more steez involved with them
Mar 7 2007 8:21AM
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Riley.
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More durable cause of cap??? Flip it around and you got it right.
Mar 7 2007 3:59PM
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bemmis
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humhumhumhumbumphumhumhumhumhum
Mar 10 2007 9:14PM
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japollner
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Next years dumonts are wood core...not the same ski at all.
Mar 10 2007 9:30PM
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~Joe~
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i would think the AR6 would be a lot more durable than the Dumont, just becasue of how shitty salomon tends to be
Mar 10 2007 9:57PM
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bemmis
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cmon... bumb
Mar 12 2007 7:23PM
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tjski
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a kid i know have the AR6 and they are light and kinda soft. they have a lot of pop to them.. i have never touched the dumonts before.
Mar 12 2007 7:31PM
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ikellen
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not quite. Sandwich construction means exposed layers that separate easier. You also get chips on the top edge of the skis due to the hard angle of the top of the sandwich.
Mar 12 2007 7:38PM
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=KillaKyle=
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Dumonts are wood and are the same exact ski next year
Mar 14 2007 7:45PM
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nhjibber
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"not quite. Sandwich construction means exposed layers that separate easier. You also get chips on the top edge of the skis due to the hard angle of the top of the sandwich."

yes, but top sheet chipping has little to no effect on the durability of the ski, tops sheets are there to protect the ski, some chipping has to be expected. I think in recent years sandwich construction has passed cap by leaps and bounds. I've seen a lot of salomon's blow edges this year. Plus I hate the space frame, if next years dumont's are wood core salomon may have finally figured something out.

also the layers in the ski are vertical and horizontal, so separation is unlikely. I believe the sandwich construction along with wood core will last longer then salomon's space frame.
Mar 14 2007 8:38PM
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ijibgoremtn
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dude they always have been
Mar 14 2007 8:40PM
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Ryanvdonk
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this years are wood core. don't be stupid. and cap is lighter than sandwich construction in general (different cores make up for the AR6 being as light or lighter). it can be more durable if done right, though they;re really about the same durability wise.
Mar 14 2007 9:13PM
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dorikin
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yes, Armada skis are very light despite the sandwhich, which can be contributed to thier mystery meat cores. The Dumont seems like a throwback to the old 1080s before spaceframe construction. From what I can tell, they are probably bomb proof, and with the cap construction and my prior salomon experience I doubt you will see huge chips coming off of the topsheets which I have seen with Armadas, and most sandwhich skis I have owned. These two skis are both great, and I really don't think you could go wrong with either one. ALso both skis come in a 181 now! So I never thought I would say this, but pick based on graphics, or which riders they have or something, I dunno! They are both sick skis just go with whatever you can get cheaper!
Mar 15 2007 12:05AM
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japollner
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nope, dumonts this year are foam with a wood stringer...next years thrusters are rebadged dumonts from this year with rivets.

next years dumonts are all wood core. im sitting next to the catalog.
Mar 23 2007 10:17PM
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Ryanvdonk
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not according to dumont. i asked him earlier this year it is was true that salomon actually made a wood core ski, he said yes and they were a lot more durable.
Mar 23 2007 11:15PM
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japollner
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claim if you must, but ill snag pigs tommorrow of the catalog and the ski cross sections
Mar 24 2007 12:14AM
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Ryanvdonk
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you're making bacon? got any maple syrup?
Mar 24 2007 12:59AM
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japollner
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gahh...pics.

:::walks away ashamed;::
Mar 24 2007 9:59AM
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JamesB
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heres a question ive got the CR's and have had em since they came out i need a new pair of skis. I ski like 95% park what skis? Are the dumonts anything like CR's or what?
Mar 24 2007 3:10PM
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=KillaKyle=
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where are the pics i want the answer to all this hoooha
Apr 4 2007 12:17PM
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bemmis
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does the ar6 or the dumont have more swing weight?
Apr 19 2007 7:42PM
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bemmis
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Apr 28 2007 12:24PM
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paprika
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Dont forget Salomon is one of the companies that does make actual woodcored skis for their team riders and uses foam core for the public. Now I have no idea if this is the case with the Dumonts cause I personally dont care for Sollys due to previous experience, but I met with Mike Douglas way back this year in the Whistler gondola. I got to flex his Guns and they were way stiffer and beefier feeling than the ones in the Solly store.
Apr 28 2007 12:48PM
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icywhite
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ur madddddddddddd annoying
Apr 28 2007 1:13PM
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=KillaKyle=
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See who knows if this is really true that Salomon makes wood core skis for all of their pro riders. I would think they might dabble in it a little to test it out. But why would salomon spend money doing R+D to not put it to use. Whats the point of making two different skis its just a waste of money. Does anyone have any hard evidence that shows Salomon riders on completely different skis? If they are so good they would sell them to the public for like 800 and I would pay it along with a shit load of others.
Apr 28 2007 3:03PM
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_R3iD
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salmon is a way more durably ski company so go with the dumonts. armadas have too many problems
Apr 28 2007 3:38PM
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icywhite
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how do armadas have too many problems?
Apr 28 2007 3:42PM
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_R3iD
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foam core breaks down faster than wood
topsheet problems
they are a good short term ski i must admit but salmon for longer time on them
Apr 28 2007 3:47PM
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Krush
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44 already? mine has none and has been up for 3 mins =[
Apr 28 2007 3:52PM
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paprika
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It doesnt cost them money, if fact they make so much using the foam over wood. If you actually tried to ski as hard and as fast and do drops as big as some of the Solly team riders do with foam cored ski they would disintegrate. How do I know, cause I did it. I blew up a pair of Solly PR from a couple years back droping a 35 foot cliff. I charged, hucked, and on landing the right ski blew the fuck up. They were only mounted once so no extra holes in the core, they were in great shape and Im 175 pounds. Realistically the type of demographic that Solly caters to dont need full wood cored skis so that combined with the fact that it sheds costs makes dollars and sense to them. They can easily without much cost at all provide their whole team with kick ass woodcored ski so they can shred the fuck out of them and make them look great, but they arent the same skis.
Apr 28 2007 5:10PM
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bemmis
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so is the dumont woodcore or not?
Apr 29 2007 9:59PM
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bemmis
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Apr 29 2007 10:40PM
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bemmis
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Apr 29 2007 11:13PM
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MarkieR
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yes it is.
Apr 29 2007 11:21PM
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bemmis
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are you 100% sure? haha
Apr 29 2007 11:39PM
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MarkieR
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yes.
Apr 30 2007 12:03AM
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bemmis
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Apr 30 2007 9:12PM
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bemmis
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May 1 2007 8:05PM
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