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BlueSteele
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Just wondering what most people think of it. It's ok if you wouldn't ever join, just want to know how you see it as a typical American.
Feb 26 2007 1:26AM
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steve_duc
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explain???
Mar 7 2007 7:22PM
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coloski20
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anyone who says the war in Iraq is protecting our freedom is a fucking retard that needs to get a realty check.
Mar 7 2007 7:29PM
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steve_duc
Posts: 43 - Karma: 10
Then what is it about then?? My therory its over the ski industry it's fuckin 9$ for a gawdamn cheesebuger at keystone wat is that all about!?! 4 real though what do u think it's over?
Mar 7 2007 7:33PM
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coloski20
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well i wont go deep into it but i believe it is over money and power. first of all haliburton has no bid job offers over there allowing them to make millions of dollars at the expense of the american people. cheney used to be the big wig of haliburton. if you think about truthfully, what are the iraqi people doing to us that is inhibiting our freedom? absoutely nothing, we should be fighting a war on terror, not a war on iraq. it seems to me more terrorist are coming from iran and syria, if anything we have escalated the terrorist cause and gave them something more to fight for.
Mar 7 2007 7:41PM
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steve_duc
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valid point! But ultimitly there are terrorist there that do plan on attacking the U.S. I have delt w/ these people first hand bro! I think Bush just got in over his head and now it's too overwhelming to focus on 1 goal
Mar 7 2007 7:45PM
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SmoKinSkier
Posts: 5501 - Karma: 20
hahaha there are lots of things about every job ppl are goin to disagree with that doesn't mean they should all be pussies like ur dad and walk out...ur dad could have easily stayed a lawyer and lived out his moral values to help change whats wrong with lawyers today...Im sorry he raised you to be a quitter...but just because i may not like everything i do in the military doesnt mean i should quit and become a school teacher which is very noble...but what did ur father do to actually change what he didn't like about it....NOTHING sorry i was just raised different i guess
Mar 7 2007 8:24PM
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BlueSteele
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so "aussipimp" felt like being a dick today but apparently felt the need to pm this:

Date Sent: March 7 2007 21:54:58
hows it feel to be a faggot?

Date Sent: March 7 2007 22:00:27
bush went to yale on daddys money , it had nothing do with how smart he was . And for the record your a republican ass licker

I don't give a flying fuck what you think but post it here, don't pm me this shit like a pussy.
Mar 7 2007 11:46PM
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steve_duc
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THANKS your Rite brother what branch you in neway?
Mar 7 2007 11:51PM
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theoz
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I have no problem with america, or americans. This thread is about the millitary yo called me out so I addressed the issue with you personaly I dont need to call some one out on this message board. I think the war is bull shit, Australia is there too so is england all countires are equally to blame. They interviewed some one on the news today who lived in Tirket today and asked him why he doesnt help the american troops he said that even today 4 years after the war has started that the building he lives in still has no Electricity or Gas and there are more bombings and people getting killed now than before so why should he help american troops?. Are we doing a good job over there ?? no do you wanna go to war and fight to make some white guy richer maybe if so good for you maybe you are helping the iraqui people in your own way, but overall they are worse off now than before.
Mar 7 2007 11:56PM
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BlueSteele
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gee you sure fooled me, for example:

aussiepimp: hahaha Fuuck the Military , and fuck dying for a monkey president that cant even read.


but maybe i just misread that.
Mar 8 2007 12:07AM
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theoz
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There you go.
Mar 8 2007 12:08AM
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Literature
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I am lamenting the lack of options for many people in our society, and how easily they are preyed on by military recruiters offering an easy way out.
Mar 8 2007 2:12AM
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theoz
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this is soo true I was at a Motobike store in San Bernadio near LA about 7 weeks ago during this huge sale and this hummer rolls up with all these go army stickers on the side they stop pull out a tent and open the back that has some subs in it and some gay tvs with all these army adds on and they pull out a table put on some shitty music and proceded to sign people up right there out the front of a motorcross store in my opinon using these kinds of marketing tactics is fucked up. In Mike mores movies it shows how they pick on poor neighbour hoods and people who have nothing and trick them into going to war.
Mar 8 2007 2:23AM
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jarossamdb7
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Im not quite sure I know what your taking about.

Did I ever say my dad likes everything about being a teacher??
No, and he doesn't.

By enlisting and serving in the army, you are helping support the American international political agenda. Through being a teacher, my dad is supporting the developement of knowledge in today's youth.

Mar 8 2007 4:54AM
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SmoKinSkier
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your not listening i never spoke with a recruiter intil i had researched everything on my own then I called a recruiter sat down and said i dont want to hear your speech this is the job i want in the guard if you cant get me that im gone...sure as shit i got that job...I work on aircraft in a hanger in ohio...i am recieving a free degree in engineering at the ohio state universitry...and like i said im already certified in my career field on the civilian side...I promise you once i graduate in 2 years i will be doing testing on aircraft for some major airline in a hub making more than enough money...and guess what i will never i mean never have to pick up a weapon the whole time...Im not even issued one!!!

But your right it was a bad choice
Mar 8 2007 10:49AM
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SmoKinSkier
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MY point was you said ppl who join the military are whats wrong with us...thats fine believe that if you want...but i don't further any agendas fact is if we didn't join they would just bring back the draft causing your ass to be in or flee to Canada which im sure you would...and trust me ud live a great life in hiding becuz if u were found up there they would turn u back over to the US government...so ppl volunteering aren't hurting n e thing just giving u the right not too!

Im not saying your wrong its an opinion, i respect that but i enjoy the bonuses i get from the military im not brainwashed i dont buy into to n e thing they tell me...I am here to get an education and a great job out of this...Im not a lifer after my enlistment is up im gone!!
Mar 8 2007 10:54AM
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jarossamdb7
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naw man, I think if they reinstated the draft, it would be protested until they got rid of it. I know so many kids (not just my friends by any means- Some of them are conservative anyway).

Well anyway, you are helping an agenda, wether you like it or not. That was my point.
Mar 8 2007 11:29AM
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japie99
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I have nothing against the army. I just hate nationalists who say join the army coz your country will be proud on you and you will protect it from all the bad things.

I read some pretty fun stuff in this thread about you gotta be proud that you live in the most powerful country in the world. Wel let me ask you a question... Do you all think that you have personally more power then any person in europe australia or whatever? Coz thats like nonsense... Yeah your government maybe and your economy... but you guys better start worrying about china, india etc. Cause they will take over some day if you dont all change ur attitude.

Europe is globally more civilised then the US. And you guys could def rule the world with your economy, if some ppl start using their brains and think about the rest of the ppl. Think about what Truman did: Marshallhulp. If you guys would do that in Iraq, you would not only give a huge grow to your own economy those ppl would also really like you and you could def control those countries way easier. (of course there would be some rules and some concessions for buying stuff.) But look what it did to Europe after WW2 and how it helped your economy a lot...

Im def not a hippy or anything. I def laugh at ppl who say those things. I just believe in free trade with as little rules. I prefer that we all get civilised so we can stay skiing, live in a big mansion. Instead of going to the army to go to college…
Mar 8 2007 12:03PM
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SmoKinSkier
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Well ne way i got $20,000 signing bonus, I have already recieved training for Non Destructive Testing totaling about $50,000, and Iwill recieve a $100,000 education for free...not to mention they are giving me about $900 a month just to work 2 days...and its only for a few more years....


So i really could give 2 shits what you really think...because you were raised by a man who taught u to walk away from situations you couldnt handle so im happy with agenda helping!!
Mar 8 2007 4:06PM
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SmoKinSkier
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I agree with alot of what you said and it would all be nice..but unfortunately its not how it works...so until that day the best way for me to get an education was joining the air national guard im happy with my decision
Mar 8 2007 4:09PM
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japie99
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yeah i undertand. But it sucks that you have to choose for the army to go to college. If you would have lived in europe you would automatically go to university. Government would pay almost everything for you.

Btw I really respect what you do for your education! Props man!
Mar 8 2007 5:34PM
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EnemySki
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It isn't so the rich can get richer idiot.
Mar 8 2007 6:37PM
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SmoKinSkier
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Lets see border security...disaster relief such as Katrina, floods, tornadoes...humanitarian aid in Africa...relief when the tsunami hit...stepping in when say Saddam was gassing ppl in kuwait...Bosnia!!!

Your right I wish our military would have done ne thing good in the last 20 years
Mar 8 2007 7:18PM
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BlueSteele
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Well Micheal Moore is a moron to start.

A lot of those poorer people who sign up are given ooportunities they couldn't have outside of the military. My grandfather was poor as you can imagine, almost evicted from his already crappy home (the real ghetto). He joined the military and was trained as a chemical engineer (his family was poor so he never finished school cuz he was always working, really smart though). 5 years later he decided to leave the military and was offered a job at a car design place. Great opportunity for him.
Mar 8 2007 7:44PM
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SmoKinSkier
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oo but according these kids he was lied to and tricked into joining the military, im sure ur grandpa is greatful to what the military provided him...haha u kids need an education...lets be serious whether your poor rich smart dumb white black...everyone knows what the word military means...they dont dress up in a clown suit and tell u that ur joining the circus!

And it does give many of those ppl opportunities they never would have had...yes there is an element of risk and thats really only if your on the front lines!! But lets get real stepping into a car is a risk how many ppl r killed in car wrecks each year? Should i stop driving cuz im scared of taking a risk
Mar 8 2007 8:00PM
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BlueSteele
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word, they don't lie. they tell you straight up what your getting into.
Mar 8 2007 8:14PM
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*monsterskier*
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y u blamin us citizens? blame president bush for his stupid decisions.
Mar 8 2007 8:21PM
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gregor
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Apart from all the dying and killing and stuff. Jobs in the Military can be good. People with very little education can get a decent wage (although it is to risk their lives) rather than work in a packing factory for the rest of their lives. Also practical jobs like engineers get paid a lot, and the job opportunities afterwards are enormous. Almost considered it, then thought naaaah.
Mar 8 2007 8:41PM
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japie99
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But wouldnt it be way better if like everybody could go to college without joining the army?
Mar 9 2007 12:48PM
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BlueSteele
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in eutopia yes, unfortunately someone has to pay these days since college is so damn expensive
Mar 9 2007 1:51PM
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japie99
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what about europe? We pay for college but its so lil, coz government pays most of it.
Mar 9 2007 2:15PM
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SmoKinSkier
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its all about money over here though and so many ppl make bank off of universities they arent giving that up anytime soon...and they have the money to keep it that way!!
Mar 9 2007 2:43PM
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japie99
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Yeah I know it sucks balls!! Espec for ppl like you who wanna get good education but has to do this shit to get it... (I assume this by reading your posts and all...)
Mar 9 2007 2:48PM
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SmoKinSkier
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yea it does suck...like i said im no die hard patriot...I will def admit of it wasnt for the free education i would never have joined if that makes me a sell out so be it...it was the best way i could better myself...
Mar 9 2007 2:52PM
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jarossamdb7
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You missed my point. Your still helping people kill.
Mar 12 2007 1:15AM
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SmoKinSkier
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So be it...like me not joining was goin to save a single life!! Im glad your steadfast in your beliefs, but i dont see a problem with my choice,I am being trained to work on aircraft for free and recieving the education to do so...which is what i wanted to do civilian and i will now def get to do so in a few years...
Mar 12 2007 1:47AM
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jarossamdb7
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walk away? he already was making much more money as a lawer then he would ever make as a teacher. He is simply more loyal to himself.
Mar 12 2007 12:23PM
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jarossamdb7
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fair enough. your situation is pretty different then most people's in the army. My arguements are more towards the standard situation of someone serving in the army.
Mar 12 2007 12:26PM
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SmoKinSkier
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thats really all it is for me...im not here for the cause or becuz of 9 11...i want to work on aircraft not fighters not military planes juat commercial airliners...im in no means rich and could never afford the training or education it would take to achieve this goal. i am not trying to tell u to change ur opinion its great not to believe in war and joining, but your views(which many ppl have)about the troops involved!!

MY situation is not that different...In fact in basic training my TI asked to to raise our hands on why we joined...only 3 out of 56 raised their hand to "To serve your country. About 35 to "for the free college education" so knock bush and be pissed about the war but if u do the numbers...if they didnt offer free education they would not have enough ppl...ultimately leading to a draft putting all you ppl that cry to us we are murders at risk of having to join or live in hiding in canada!!
Mar 13 2007 9:18PM
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jarossamdb7
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or...the draft would start and everyone would protest it, thus ending a retarded conflict that we never should have gotten ourselfs into in the first place.
Mar 14 2007 1:14AM
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steve_duc
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Tell yous what. I joined before 911 and going there and putting 5.56 rounds in the head of a terrorist bastard was and is quite worth it, LOVE every second of it!!
Mar 29 2007 8:23PM
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Lax_Bro40
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HELL YEAH!
Mar 29 2007 9:11PM
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steve_duc
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See Im glad you agree!! Killing those who deserve it is F.U.N!!
Mar 29 2007 9:20PM
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newschooler8924
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your parents deserve to die for having such a fucked up kid. something tells me you wouldnt be such a badass if you didint have a fucking rifle and 200 pounds of armor

Mar 29 2007 9:28PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Good to know you enjoy killing people!
Mar 29 2007 9:34PM
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theoz
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you are a fucking Idiot
Mar 29 2007 9:40PM
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steve_duc
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haha yea cause if the govt. could afford to outfit all the joes w/ "200 pounds of armor" My parents deserve to die?? Well I would just have to disagree w/that they seememd to have raised a great person as well as solider protector of your dumbass!!
Apr 7 2007 5:46PM
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t-roy
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a lot of people would agree that you are what is wrong witht he country

if i was drafted or something i would go into service to do whatever they need. if it was for this war i sure as hell would not support it, but i would go out of respect and support for every other soldier that has fought for the country. yeah government is corrupt more than we can imagine, but my life in america is pretty nice even with things the way they are.
Apr 7 2007 11:24PM
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snowXrider540
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because all of the money they get is from us. all of our products are produced there. without the u.s. china would not have money thus their economy would collapse and they would look like some country from eastern germany.
Apr 7 2007 11:32PM
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snowXrider540
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i forgot to quote...^
Apr 7 2007 11:33PM
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