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The PArk Lift as Stevens

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downhillkilla
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Most of you know me and where I work. I was wondering what your opinion is on a few things. First we were considering the Brooks chair lift be made into the PArk LiFt. All of brooks park and everything to do with park a third pipe the kid park and pipe overthere and all of broadway park. we would try to ax the mid entrance and have what is the park now be intermediate to advanced stuff with the new expansion all intermediate to bigginer stuff. what do think? ideas? im welcome to any. The main reason to try and do this is to keep the beginners out of the park.
Jan 29 2007 1:57PM
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Jooky
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A couple of questions. Will you be limiting who can go on the "park chair", like a park pass or something? Is that going to cost more? Also, whats to keep people from riding skyline and dropping over the side of the ridge? I guess if they can do that, they're good enough to ski in the park, but I'm just curious. I understand your concern for safety, but heck, we were all gapers once....
Jan 29 2007 3:32PM
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bigbuds
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I don't know how many people ride brooks anyways! If I ride park I'm for sure dropping winnies to the park. As far as beginners go... I think another park should be made where the old blue jay chair was. Another thought is someone from the park crew should be patrolling the park keeping people who shouldn't be there out. No park pass just enforcement on saftey for the riders.
Jan 29 2007 5:22PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Uhg, I hate the Brooks chair, I always drop in via the whinny chutes. Brooks is just soooo sloooooow. But yeah, making a beginners park somewhere off on hogback or something would be cool - keeping it near a intermediate area would divert most of the little kids off of the Brooks park. The mini park is a great idea, but all the little kids chose brooks park over it because Brooks is just easier to access. Make a beginner park where its easy for kids to access and they'll stay out of the landings of the big park.

I wish there was a way to make the chutes a little better to ski. Grooming them as far up as possible would be nice, they get really really bumpy at the bottom from people compressing.
Jan 29 2007 5:59PM
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RudyGarmisch
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By the way, thanks for coming to NS and asking about this stuff! Its an awesome move, you have to have the riders give input and feedback for a great park, its nice to see that Stevens is finally doing so!
Jan 29 2007 6:04PM
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downhillkilla
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You guys say Brooks is slow, but on a busy saturday which lift takes longer? waiting in a 20 minute lift line or jumping on Brooks? Also I have timed both and yeah Sky is faster but by about 45 seconds. Trust me to the top of the park its under a minute difference. The park lift is just getting a foot in the door. It would be shorted to the bottom of the pipe area and you would get on from inside the park. I have to admit that if this happeneds like I want it to, Brooks may get congested with park only riders. Then we can say "hey people dig this lets up grade to a triple or quad. or this is working lets expand some more." this would also mean that the park would drasticly grow. Like i said the park would become all intermediate to advance stuff with begginer intermediate out. Eventually I would like to see a park pass you would get for the year. You first would watch a 20 minute movie on park/safety, then take a test about smart style/ safety, just some of the basic stuff. Then you would have access all year long and get checked when you entered the park. Unless you did something stupid you would have it all year. I belive stratton has something in place like this. It keeps the people who dont belong out and the avid riders in.
Jan 29 2007 7:05PM
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bigbuds
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I'm glad I don't ski weekeneds so I don't have to deal with that. Anyways to the point... Once stevens starts to have a good enough park as to having all the features big enough that you have to be crazy good to hit em then I think a park pass can be a real idea. I would find it pretty ridiclous to waste my time watching some movie about stuff I allready know.
Jan 29 2007 7:23PM
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danS
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just put a park guy by the waterfall and anyone who is hitting the side of the jump or going 5mph off it, or just skiing by like its just a groomer or something needs to be told to go to brennans or clip thier pass or something. parents take thier kids down that run like its daisy.
Jan 29 2007 7:37PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Word

Anyway right now Brooks is so fucking slow I just ride Sky and go down whatever chute has the least rocks/ice on it. As far as a park pass I don't think it's quite needed yet. This Saturday there were soooooo many fucking gapers in the park, it was horrible. I think an intermediate park somewhere else would be a good idea to keep the the newer people from ruining the landings and lips, as opposed to a park pass.
Jan 29 2007 9:30PM
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ronalddregan.
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im telling you. just install a gaper net.

pm me for skematics.
Jan 29 2007 10:11PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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haha
Jan 29 2007 11:15PM
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NoTeefa
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just leave the park the way it is now, but build a checkpoint area at the top of the waterfall area, and require park passes for that area only. kinda sucks for the slow days when you have to roll in, but they could probably build up that knoll bigger with some dirt and shit over the summer
Jan 30 2007 12:00AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Ya, this would be good, maybe even a pass check for the top of the park as well. How much you guys would you guys be willing to pay for a park pass?
It would be kind of nice to have something to push off to get some extra speed on slow days.
Also maybe closing the park at around 2 for like an hour and rebuilding the jumps that the gapers fuck up, I did see some park guys rebuilding an area around a box last Saturday, that was kinda nice.
Jan 30 2007 12:06AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Depends on how nice the park was. With the way its at now.... maybe $5-$10 for the whole year? Setting a park pass shouldnt be about getting money (most park rats are strapped for cash as it is), it should just be there to keep accidents from happening.
Jan 30 2007 4:58PM
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downhillkilla
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it wouldn't cost any more money it would be just for safety
Jan 30 2007 6:18PM
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cobra_commander
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instead of changing the lift just reduce the price of a seasons pass, or day passes, that is the one biggest improvement you could make to your park.
Jan 30 2007 6:44PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Ya, if it didn't cost anything that would be good. I'd even be down for $25 of so if they had a park crew that was out sometimes during the day.
Jan 30 2007 7:20PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Best park day I can remember was in Big White up in BC. They had a line of 4 rollers on a huge open run, all perfectly groomed. And near each lip there was a park guy sitting under an umbrella watching everyone hit the jumps. If the jump got cut up, or someone chewed the landing, BOOM, they would jump up, close the jump for 5 minutes, work it out and then reopen it, all nice and groomed. Plus they gave thumbs up when the landing was clear, sooooo nice. Too bad all the jumps were only like 15-20's tho.
Jan 30 2007 8:27PM
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skier_boy26
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i could see many good things coming from a park lift, designating the park more apparently according to ability, and perhaps some sort of pass.

For the lift, like you said, it would be getting a foot in the door; a good step. If that happened, then the door is open to other possibilities in the future (just speculating). Having it primarily park orientated would probably filter out a lot of people, too, so that wouldn't be too bad at all. No reason not to really do it.

Distinguishing ability parks better would be nice. So having a beginner-intermediate park on broadway, nicely fenced off from the current park, and so on, would be good. And coupled with a park pass or something like that... it probably wouldn't be disasterous.

With something such as a pass, it could filter people out, sure, but could it allow for bigger features? Currently, there really isn't much need aside from keeping the gomers out. That would be nice, but it wouldn't seem that practical, unless things got bigger/more tech. That's the beauty with Whistler. it's a resort, yes, but the parks that don't require the pass aren't really much of anything. The rails and boxes in them are decent, but the HL stuff is marvelous. Could it allow that kind of build up? That lower terrain in the current park could see some nice large jumps and other snow feautures, especially down where the rails are now. I dont know, just some thoughts and questions.
Jan 30 2007 9:17PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Ya, Big White did have a good park. Sun Peaks also had a good park, the gapers stayed off the big stuff and it was very well maintained, small but high quality.
Jan 30 2007 9:49PM
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skibum193
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Although having someone on every jump would be unreasonable, if the lips and landings were maintained during the day that would be awesome. For both jumps and rail/box features, that would create not only make the hits more fun, but safer as well. Especially on the weekends when landings get annihilated, this would be very helpful.
Jan 30 2007 10:02PM
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ronalddregan.
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ya big whites park crew has got it figured out. best place to ride park that ive ever been. may not be the best park but they have a park guy sitting on all the tables to fix/ close jumps and at least one other person somewhere in teh park fixing rails and boxes at all times.
Jan 30 2007 10:11PM
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cobra_commander
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One thing that I actualy think would be the best at keeping gapers out of the park is to have the beginer park next to the pro line, so that it is obvious to people that it is there and that they don't need to ride the beginer lift to use it. Also makibng the start of the park more intimidating does alot, if the first few features look big, and there is a big sign saying that all the features are for advanced skiers and riders only, it will keep people who should not be there out of the high level park, kind of the same idea as posting signs with a big double black diamond and in large leters saying there is no easy way down keep people off of seventh and double diamond, Also a big skull and cross bones on it never hurt anyone. And I don't see the point of turning brennans trail or whatever it is into a advanced park unless it is just rails, even then it never see's the sun, actualy you should make that intoa snocross course with just banks and rollers. then some rails at the bottom,
Jan 30 2007 10:15PM
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Schoening
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lets be honest billy. what does price have to do with our park at all
Jan 30 2007 11:54PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Oh, it was completely ridiculous and wasteful of their time, but it was amazing to ride that day. It was like having your ass wiped for you.

Putting a beginner park on Hogsback (like on Blue Trail, that would be sick!) would immediately allow more people to access a terrain park, drawing more kids/gapers away from the pro park. And it wouldnt be a bad place to have a park anyways, terrain wise (especially if the ridge between it and Daisy was somehow utilized...). How long would Brooks be out if this was to go ahead?


And speaking of expansion, are there any plans you know of in the works for expanding the backside/front? Just wondering...
Jan 31 2007 2:08AM
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cobra_commander
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Lowering the price would allow more people to come up, especialy those that are in the 18 to 25 range and are short on cash, also these tend to be the same people that ski park and are actualy good, higher prices tend to lead to more families since they have more money and in turn leads to more gapers doing pizza turns down landings. I don't know about others on here but right now it cost me the same to ski stevens 3 times as to get a pass to snoqualmie. I can't afford to ski stevens more then 3 or 4 times a season right now since it cost me almost $100 a day with lift tickets gas and ferry fare. snoqualmie on the other hand is $160 at the start of the year (or end of last year) and then only $30 for gas and the ferry. The only reason i actualy ski stevens at all is becuase you guys are there.
Jan 31 2007 10:58AM
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Shifty540
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I go to school at Central and im only like 45 mins from Snoqualmie. But I still shelled out $300 for the college pass to stevens and I drive up there a few times a week, a good 2 hours. It cost me $35-$40 to get up there each time and back. My bank account is taking a severe hit but I don't care, its ski season.

Snoqualmie is a joke, id much rather take the drive to Stevens and ski good stuff and avoid as many people as I can. Even though there are still a fair amount at Stevens,
Jan 31 2007 12:03PM
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Ryanvdonk
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both you two need to learn to car pool and split gas money. as for billy, i did inform you how to get cheaper lift tickets there (your edge card), so that saves some as well.
Jan 31 2007 12:48PM
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Shifty540
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I do carpool. I usually got anywhere from 3-5 in there. But I go so much its still killing me on gas.
Jan 31 2007 1:09PM
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skier_boy26
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Quite frankly, ticket prices are a bit high, at least to us kids, but shit, Snoqualmie has the exact same ticket prices, so I'm not seeing the basis for ridiculing Stevens. And compared to other mountains, it is rather proportional to what we get. Some bigger resorts in the country have more terrain (well, mostly groomers) yet far less snow, and ticket prices are pushing $100/day, and will probably get to that point in a few years. Talk about rediculous. Ticket prices can only go up really, whether it be from inflation, electricity prices, whatever. But that's just a suposition.
Although... if say Brooks did turn into a park chair (bottom at the pipe) as well as some park expansion (nicely defined beginner park on Broadway, etc.)/more features (bigger for advanced, pleeease?) for all, perhaps a specific park lift ticket could be possible? I know mountains, including Stevens, have tickets for beginner lifts (which is a good thing). This could tick people off, but a reduced price limiting riding to only Brooks could draw in people for park riding only. I dont know, just another thought.
Jan 31 2007 2:34PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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You mentioned ferry fare, where are you from?
I'm on Whidbey Island and ferry fare is only like $5.
Jan 31 2007 3:06PM
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cobra_commander
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the bainbridge-seattle, bremerton-seattle, and kingston-edmounds runs are all $15 or so for a car one way, and with a multi coupon book it is about $9 each way. And it was still over $50 using my edge card, and Stevens deffinatly has more people then snoqualmie. and those of you that bash snoqualmie for not having much need to explore some, and remember that it is not just Alpental West and Central.
Jan 31 2007 6:26PM
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NoTeefa
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Imagine if an extra pass was required to access the waterfall area. It would be funny to then see how many bodies got carted out of there compared to brennans trail...
Jan 31 2007 9:44PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Ahhh I see. That's a bit more than the Whidbey Ferry. Anyway as far as passes go you an pick up season passes for $350 at the end of the season and use them a few times then they are good all next season as well, that's what I usually do, and if you're in college you get them even cheaper.

Stevens does have more people but it clears out at about 4:45 so that's nice, but the park isn't lit very well.

Anyone gonna be there this weekend?

Feb 1 2007 12:46AM
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Shifty540
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Ill be up there Friday, possibly Sat.
Feb 1 2007 1:57AM
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Schoening
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saturday and sunday
Feb 1 2007 9:38AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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I'm pretty sure I'll be there Saturday, I just started riding park so I'll be the retard working on 3's and 5's.
Feb 1 2007 10:59AM
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Shifty540
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I am glad I am not the only one. I feel like shit when I see guys throwin 7s and then I launch off trying a 3 and I wash out on the landing. Or better yet when I naturally lean back on a rail or box and fuck myself up.
Feb 1 2007 12:48PM
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hUcKbUnNi3
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I'll be there on Sunday most likely
Feb 1 2007 1:49PM
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downhillkilla
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So... tell me what you think.
-Brooks as a park lift if you want to ride park you ride brooks. mabey allow just a park ticket say for the price of 30 bones. Dont quote me because this is all speculation.
-The park as is right now,with-out a mid entrance, turns into more advanced Intermediate terrain ranging from 30 foot tables to 60foot tables, big hips, tec rails, boxes exc.
-The top of broadway turns into a beginner intermediate terrain such as 10 to 20foot tables, small boxes, learning rails and mellow stuff.

Something along those lines?
holla
Feb 1 2007 4:31PM
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Schoening
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theres no way one of those jumps is 60 feet.
Feb 1 2007 5:45PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Please please please please set up lights for night skiing in the park! I cant believe I forgot to mention this! Lots of times I go up night skiing after classes, and I would LOVE a park that was lit at night.

And for tickets... what would stop people from forgoing the ticket and doing the chutes? Is there going to be someone checking passes a the top?
Feb 1 2007 6:08PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Definatly light the park at night, that, more than anything would make me pay for a park pass. Also some big hips would be ill, the one now is impossible to hit because you can't get enough speed up. Also I like to see that somebody is actually concerned about making the park better, thanks downhillkilla.
Feb 1 2007 6:17PM
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downhillkilla
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well i measured Waterfall and it was 55' from lip to nuckle, with the chance of 60. Trust me seen it done. as for the lights. $$$$$$$ we say we want more light every year.
Feb 1 2007 7:11PM
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Schoening
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you said in the upper park of the park. the waterfall i can believe it
Feb 1 2007 7:55PM
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bigbuds
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I would say that waterfall is in the lofty 50 to 60 ft range. I like how the takeoff was made wider on tuesday night. I also like how the all the jumps in the right line are actually hitable now! 2nd jump has a nice long take off on it now! Park was super fun on tues and wends. Even the left wall of the pipe was super fun.
Feb 1 2007 7:57PM
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skier_boy26
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waterfall feels like a moderate 55'. After hitting yummy jumps in colorado, it doesn't feel too lofty, but it is nice.

If the runs were designated more apparently, it would be nice to see larger features in the intermediate/advanced side of things, as well as more tech rails and boxes, and variety in set-ups. However, if hips are built, but they have similar landings that they have had this year and especially last year, then it really isn't worth it. The one that was below the waterfall last year, in particular, had such a flat landing that it wasn't worth hitting. That amount of snow on the lower park could be used for other features. Butter pad wouldn't be a bad addition, too.
Feb 1 2007 9:11PM
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cobra_commander
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Hips can be fun just don't make them like that gay thing at the top of central
Feb 1 2007 9:18PM
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RudyGarmisch
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ooooo, butter pad, yummy. Seriously, a lit park would do wonders. Cant you just turn some of the lights on Broadway the other way? Or light the pipe? I'd take that over anything new/crazy in the park right now...
Feb 2 2007 4:22PM
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NoTeefa
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In all honesty, and I'm not just trying to be a dick about this, I think this is a horrible idea
If you expand the size of the park its just going to be more poorly maintained than it already is
Feb 4 2007 2:59AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Holy fuck, the park was sooo bad in some spots yesterday. There were HUGE fucking holes at the end of some boxes and behind some jumps. I saw people working on the inrun to a box the when they were done there was still a huge hole behind it. They just need to maintain it during the day. Take some lifties and put them to work, most of them don't do shit.
Feb 4 2007 5:18PM
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