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Capitalism Vs. The American Dream

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rebel
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Are they not the same thing? I don't understand how you can be an anti-capitalist and believe in the American Dream.
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Jun 12 2003 10:18PM
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Jun 12 2003 10:20PM
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Krongos
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the american dream is something made up by the big wig capitalists to keep their poor ass workers happy, because their poor ass workers think someday they'll be a big wig, but they wont, its all bullshit
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Jun 12 2003 10:21PM
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Bob_Loblaw
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so making a good living for yourself even if u came from a dirt poor family is bullshit? enlighten me.
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Jun 12 2003 10:29PM
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Krongos
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if you wanna belive the stupid shit republicans shove down your throat then be my guest, but coming from a dirt poor family and making a living is one thing, starting with a low paying job and climbing your way up to big ass rich owner is different, and the american dream might be the first thing i said but a lot of people translate that into the second thing i said
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Dan Maguire
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'...all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent
and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax.'

'It's not the eastern shore that worries me. A shadow and a threat has been growing in my mind. Something draws near, I can feel it.'

How many snowboarders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
10, 1 to do it, and 9 to say 'I can do that.'

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
Jun 12 2003 10:34PM
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Bob_Loblaw
Posts: 8384 - Karma: 38
actually i dont find it bullshit seeing how both my parents came from poor ass families and now my dad makes $120,000 a year. just because your pessimistic doesnt mean its not possible for other people. do u think that people are born CEOs of companies? they have to work their way up in order to become that powerful. It just takes a certain kind of person to do that.
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Jun 12 2003 10:39PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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a lot of people are born into being a CEO. But those are the people that make the company fail. Its very possible to go from poor to rich. Just depends on how hard you work.

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Jun 13 2003 12:02AM
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Gregg
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My dad's mother was a sharecropper. He's now retired with timeshares all over the world. But I suppose that's just another 'Republican lie?' Geez... My mom and my two aunts grew up in a two room shack. Now all of them have Mercedes and nothing less than a Master's degree (one aunt is the assitant dean of engineering at Howard U and is getting ready to trade in one of her TWO Mercedes for a Jag Vanden Plas). But anyway... yeah. No hardwork, blood, seat, or tears there.


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Jun 13 2003 12:35AM
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wrenegade
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the american dream has been around since before there were democrats and republicans. and yes, it basically is capitalism. you wouldn't be able to have the 'american dream' without capitalism. and fuck, tons of people still go from poor families, or even, come to the states as an immigrant with basically nothing and succeed (their definition of success may be different, it may only be owning their own house), but fuck, thats why so many people love the states, because these things do happen.





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Jun 13 2003 12:43AM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
Posts: 6146 - Karma: 73
there are different types of capitalism I guess. there's capitalitic greed and there's capitalism in the sense of the smartest and hardest working survive and make money.
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Jun 13 2003 12:48AM
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Bob_Loblaw
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^I think they are the same thing. Just the greediest will work harder and try to make as much money as possible.
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Jun 13 2003 12:39PM
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lineskier10
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yeah ski instructor mike said it well, some capitalism of corporate america is the greed of wealthy people trying to get more wealthy, but the real american greed is normal capitalism of a poor person trying to get rich
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Jun 13 2003 12:58PM
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Krongos
Posts: 5214 - Karma: 47
its all greed driven, i dont give a fuck about money compared to how much i care about my family and friends and skiing, thats why instead of doin the 'smart' thing, and go to college to become a faceless lawyer and make tons of money but never see my family, i moved to mammoth and lived there after i graduated, fuck money all its done to me is pissed me off
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Dan Maguire
Yankees Suck

'...all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent
and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax.'

'It's not the eastern shore that worries me. A shadow and a threat has been growing in my mind. Something draws near, I can feel it.'

How many snowboarders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
10, 1 to do it, and 9 to say 'I can do that.'

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
Jun 13 2003 4:49PM
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Bob_Loblaw
Posts: 8384 - Karma: 38
then you're not fit to be a CEO. Some people would rather have money. Different strokes for different folks. Just accept it, you're not gonna change people.
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Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life. So get wasted all the time and have the time of your life!
Jun 13 2003 4:57PM
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bigskia
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Not to mention while America feels so cool to be captilistac it has socialistic ties with it's farmers...not that it really matters.


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Jun 13 2003 6:07PM
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coz
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i think the american dream as we know it survives because of capitalism. neither is really a prerequisite for the other, yet in the absence of one, the other would suffer immensely.

no american dream, (be it greed, or just a desire to be 'comfortable') capitalism might suffer. no capitalism, (replaced maybe by socialism) the american dream would most definitely suffer. sooo, as we can see.. between the two definitely exists a dichotomy.
Jun 14 2003 11:28AM
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mattster
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maybe you should shut your ass hole and talk through your mouth


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Jun 14 2003 5:23PM
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mattster
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im sorry bout that i just get that way when i dont take my pills .......
Jun 14 2003 5:24PM
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