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K.C.Deane
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Have you park managers considered closing off the parks? Just a thought but when Ive been to whistler the main park had fencing around the jumps so that families, small kids and people that straight up should not be hitting stuff thats over their head cant ski into the landings. they can still watch, and then there is a more tame park for those that arent going to hit 40+ plus jumps. And there is an entrance at the top where you have to show a park pass which is say 10 bucks. I dont know if you guys think this is a good or bad Idea but it certainly seemed safer.
Jan 16 2007 2:25PM
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thatoneguyattyrol
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Ive always supported the idea of a park pass, problem is pleasing everyone and we are NOT the people who bring the money to the resorts.
Jan 16 2007 2:37PM
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K.C.Deane
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true, but think of it as keeping the people who bring the money in safe.
Jan 16 2007 4:02PM
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Scottness
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Snow Summit had one back in the day and it is pretty legit. I would suggest it highly for big jump lines, not really rails.
Jan 16 2007 4:13PM
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alpineplease
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i highly suggest it for rails too... how many times have you had a master gaper snake yo shit then schralp the lip of the jib you are about to hit?
Jan 16 2007 4:50PM
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A_W
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I can't believe that the parks arn't closed off in the states with all the lawsuits here. I lived in Whistler for the last couple of years and having a HL park is really nice, goobers can still get in but they don't end up there on accident. I never once heard a tourist complain that they were not allowed in. When I found out Mammoth wasn't blocked off I was suprised especialy with the size of the jumps, but I guess if retards die I guess it's just evolution working itself out. Maybe one of these years the States will work out a good system.
Jan 16 2007 7:51PM
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dlite!
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close off the park but dont make us where helmuts like whisla
Jan 16 2007 7:59PM
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stinkypoodangle
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i think it is an awesome idea. especially at boreal. on every run you will get snaked on at least one feature there. and that flat down box to up box kind of lead into the landing of the showtime money booter which leaves fools taking a little rest stop on the knuckle of the jump. yesterday at northstar i saw some boarder that knew what he was doing get annihilated by a big ol gaper. also the flat spots next to the lips allow people to cut accross the table and traverse the landing, i know they are for filming and stuff but they lead to a lot of close calls.
Jan 16 2007 9:10PM
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Prorider2themax
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but since boreal is an all mountain terrain park then the whole mountain would be closed off.
Jan 16 2007 9:34PM
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Kungris
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Good idea to get the gapers' bloody bodies out from under my skis when I land on them, but I don't think It's that practical. I don't nave the money to pay for the park on top of the lift ticket. People need to be taught proper park etiquette, like don't sit on the landings, you wouldn't camp out on an airport runway or in the middle of a highway, so why do that It's the same principle.
Jan 16 2007 10:16PM
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Scottness
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^dude like $10 for a year ?
Jan 17 2007 12:04AM
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K.C.Deane
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ya, I think Whistlers is like 15 or 20 bucks for the year.
Jan 17 2007 12:08AM
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ShotgunElephant
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Winter park uses this approach towards their 'big' park, works out pretty well too. there are other parks on the mountain with beginner and intermediate features, but their big park is restricted.

Restricting park acces has it's positive and negative points, it definately cuts down on beginners dangerously cutting you off while your trying to hit a feature and make the park less crowded. This being said, it also can discourage people from entering it that are working their way up to the bigger features. It's also another cost added to an already expensive sport and another ticket that HAS to be shown everytime you enter the park. Other - are hiring another employee(s), room on the mountain for a seperate park, what days it would be open, more + Give sponsors more exposure, it allows for progression, and reduces injuries.

With the examples of Whistler and Winter Park this application of restricting park access has worked out well as far as my knowledge goes.

Does anyone have any firsthand experience with this not working?





Jan 17 2007 12:38AM
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SnowMedic
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when kirkwood had "superpark" all you had to do was go and sign a form and you were in , worked fine no gapers. but then the jumps were "too much" and super park was done.
Jan 17 2007 1:01AM
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tahoeskier.
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good ideas.
travis i think that's a good idea because let's say you go to a different mountain for the day and have to pay for a lift ticket and a park pass. thats a little much.
Jan 17 2007 1:36AM
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thatoneguyattyrol
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yea helmuts are so gay.

some day you kids will take a rail to the head and get it.
Jan 17 2007 1:36AM
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thatoneguyattyrol
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That is a damn good point.
Jan 17 2007 1:38AM
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woodwardtahoe
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snow summit which was the first to restrict park access, they quit because it reduced rider traffic some much that it started losing money. It also opens up liablity issues that have precendence in court related to ski areas. One court case was lost by a ski area because the plantiff proved that the area was negligent in that even though the obstacle he hit(snow making pipe) was marked, the closure was insifficent to prevent him from crossing. The plantiff even admitted that he knew it was closed and he shouldn't have crossed the closure. The jury felt that the area should have prevented the plantiff from hitting the pipe. I had talks with issurance companies of the resorts I've worked at and because of this case they say that by restricting access to certain parts of your mountain you become more at risk if you fail to prevent someone from going into those areas like if someone cut through the trees to get into the park or ducked a rope line and then got hurt in the park. It becomes your fault atleast in the eyes of the courts. It's a very sticky subject as it relates to restricting park access. All that being said, I wish it was possible for us to implement as it has alot of benefits for park riders.
Jan 17 2007 2:46AM
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K.C.Deane
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So then is it just way easier since there is less liability issues in canada?
Jan 17 2007 10:53AM
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Scottness
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I hear ya Eric, it may raise the liablity but it will lower the occurances, thus lowering overall risk. Either way, I think all park crew should have bright orange one pieces and be able to yell in a bull horn and throw rocks at all gapers crossing jumps. I tend to think of myself as a reall responsible guy on the slopes (i've got a wife and kid man), and I still nail someone a couple times a year.
Jan 17 2007 3:13PM
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woodwardtahoe
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you're correct..fewer occurances but higher risk.

orange one pieces would be sick! on a few of the busy xmas days, Ryan(a.m. park Manager) was wearing one of our orange safety vests that parking staff uses in the parking lot.
Jan 19 2007 1:04PM
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Prorider2themax
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i think there should be a lava pit with fire sharks in front of the park that you have to jump accross so all the gapers fall in and the park will be safe from them forever
Jan 19 2007 3:25PM
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Kungris
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oh, nevermind that would be awesome.
Jan 19 2007 9:31PM
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TheWallaby
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the more i watch little kids almost get wiped out in the park the more i think this would be a great idea. especially at Alpine, because the park crosses over some main thoroughfares. yeah, there are signs up all over the place and at all the entrances, but there are certainly kids who duck under tape, and plenty of people who don't read the signs. and not only can those kids get hurt, but riders could hurt themselves by attempting to avoid the living obstacles.

it's definitely something to think about.
Jan 21 2007 8:18PM
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stinkypoodangle
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highly unlikely because the liability on that would be horendous.
Jan 23 2007 7:36PM
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SnowMedic
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there were soooo many gapers in the kirkwood park the other day it was terrible.
Jan 24 2007 2:19AM
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ShortBusSkiTeam
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Don't worry about killing the gapers, they are an over populater species anyways...
Feb 9 2007 2:20AM
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