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Ar5king
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what ski do you think is better for me??? karma or the foil??
i am 5'9 5'10, 150, ski probably 50/50 or 60 park 40 all mountain, and im from the east...
Jan 7 2007 1:37PM
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grams.
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karma
Jan 7 2007 2:00PM
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skidemon22
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foil
Jan 7 2007 2:01PM
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kepler.
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foil. personally the karma is too wide for the east. i really don't like it for a park ski because its hard to screw around on and butter and stuff like that. the foil although still a little stiff for a true park ski. will let you do more. plus is kills on the mountain too. though i would take karma over foil any day for the mountain
Jan 7 2007 2:09PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
come on everyone i need some help on this... hook me p with some feedback
Jan 7 2007 2:41PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
answer me this what is different about these skis? besides the topsheet and company...
Jan 7 2007 2:48PM
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Ar5king
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alright thanks man.. thats the kind of stuff i need to hear.
Jan 7 2007 3:18PM
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nothanks
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I'm a firm believer the Karma is super dope, and isn't "super stiff".

Without a doubt it's a stiffer twin, but compared to the ski world it's very managable.

If you want stablilty and ridigity and some pop when you flex it, Karma.

I personally know you and don't think you need either of these anyways...not another park ski.
Jan 7 2007 3:28PM
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skibomb
Posts: 47 - Karma: 10
Just a note, everyone seems to assume that the Foil is lighter than most skis based on the fact that it has a foam core.

I recently weighed my Karmas and Foils (before mounting), and the 174 Foil weighed 1781 grammes and the 177 Karma weighed 1747 grammes.

In other words, it's not correct to automatically assume that the Foil is a lighter ski than most.
Jan 7 2007 5:28PM
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mjpayo
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FOIL. what size?
Jan 7 2007 5:54PM
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DarksidexXx
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i ski both.., the kamra RIPS anything at any speed,
The foil is sweet on mellow stuff like blues and cruiser runs.. but not as stable at higher speeds and not as good edge hold on hard stuff
Depending on the size you go with they are def sofer and fun to mess around on but still pretty good as long as your not lookin to rip gs turns down steep stuff
Jan 7 2007 6:06PM
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Ar5king
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i dont know what size... either 174 or 182 for foil but def 177 for karma
Jan 7 2007 6:54PM
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skibomb
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On a calibrated post office set of scales. The fact that the Foil weight I found is very near Salomon's published weight of the Foil is an indication that these figures are correct.

Give it a try yourself - the Foil in 174 is heavier than the Karma in 177. My P3 in 178 came in at 1734 grammes. The Foil was the heaviest of these three...
Jan 7 2007 6:59PM
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skibomb
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FWIW the Salomon published weight for the 174 Foil is 1770 grammes: http://www.salomonski.com/us/product.aspx?typeProduct=1&referer=search&product=786014

Jan 7 2007 7:05PM
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skibomb
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True - the flexiness makes it kinda feel light and lively. It is a very pleasant ski to ski I find. The Karma feels more solid and sturdy.

For the kid asking the original question, I would say a 174 Foil would be the right choice...
Jan 7 2007 7:09PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
actually the foils are 1770
Jan 7 2007 7:18PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
???
Jan 7 2007 7:48PM
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Ar5king
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so everyones thinks i shoud get the foil right? in a 174
Jan 7 2007 8:23PM
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Ar5king
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Jan 8 2007 9:31AM
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gregor
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Karma is more all mountain, stiff, big kickers etc. Will last longer too!

Foil is good but poorly made, more of a park ski, better in pipe and for jibbing.
Jan 8 2007 12:55PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
how is the foil for all around? and how is the karma for park and jibbing???
Jan 8 2007 4:02PM
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Edward.
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i dont think anyone in this thread ever said that, you got it the wrong way around,

karma is for all around and the foil is for park and jibbing
Jan 8 2007 4:23PM
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Love_Wins.
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I think he was asking a question. But I've never rode either ski, my friend (About 150lbs, maybe...5'10") rides the 177 Karma everywhere, from the Peak at Bigsky to the park on the way back to the lodge for lunch, and he raves about them non-stop...they kill it everywhere.
Jan 8 2007 6:10PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
i was asking it like a question? like how is the karma park wise and how is the foil all mountain wise???
Jan 8 2007 8:52PM
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Ar5king
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anyone???
Jan 8 2007 9:06PM
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grams.
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karma is more all mountain and you can hold an edge better on them... u can ski pow and shit with the foil if you want, they would work good in the trees just not as fat and more park oriented
Jan 8 2007 9:07PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
how is the karma in park? and with rails
Jan 8 2007 9:11PM
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Ar5king
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anyone
Jan 8 2007 9:34PM
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kepler.
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rails it slays it. but the jumps i found it hard to handle. just cuz i'm such a light guy 5' 8" 125lbs
Jan 8 2007 9:42PM
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Ar5king
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im 510 150 so i donno
Jan 8 2007 9:43PM
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kepler.
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i'd just go foil. there are people out there sayin the foam core sucks but your only 150. you have to freakin rip to break those skis
Jan 8 2007 9:52PM
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Ar5king
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i would this the foam would break easy too. but i donno ill have to see
Jan 8 2007 9:54PM
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kepler.
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its not gonna break...its gonna take a serious beating for it to happen. its just they aren't as durable as some skis
Jan 8 2007 9:59PM
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ds.181.3
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def go with the wood core. They are so much more fun.
Jan 8 2007 10:38PM
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A@ron
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if your out east look at the thruster rater than the foil
Jan 8 2007 11:32PM
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nothanks
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Drew get an icon/avatar, please.
Jan 9 2007 8:16AM
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Ar5king
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taylor shut up
Jan 9 2007 10:38AM
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mjpayo
Posts: 294 - Karma: 9
listen to nomensteven, he knows his shit, and teh foil can take you anywhere. you wont be dissapointed
Jan 9 2007 3:21PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
aight, yeah he def does
Jan 9 2007 4:46PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
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Jan 9 2007 5:18PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
im still a little undecided though for some reason... i just dont know... and also is 174 too small??
Jan 9 2007 7:27PM
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poofartpee
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i think it would be but its deff got to do with preference like im 5'6 120 and would ride a 176 cause i like a longer ski (my height or taller than me) so its hard to say...but i cant say for sure whats going too be best
Jan 9 2007 7:55PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
i have a 176 thall, but i also have a 170 msp so i dont know im really undicided what the fuck is up with the 174 size, just make it 176 like the rest o the wworld!
Jan 9 2007 8:09PM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
also does anyone have these skis now that have rode them? can i get a review if you have?? thanks...
Jan 9 2007 8:12PM
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Ar5king
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Jan 9 2007 8:50PM
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kepler.
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not both...can't vouch of for salomon but eh karma is sooooo dope
Jan 9 2007 10:43PM
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dpitch
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foil...my volkls have been ridden just this season and there in multiple peices
Jan 10 2007 8:13AM
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Ar5king
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Jan 10 2007 10:04AM
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unchyll
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ive heard much more positive stuff about the karmas plus they wond freeskiers ski thing. My friend got the foils and the first day he said he didnt like them as much as he thought he would
Jan 10 2007 10:10AM
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Ar5king
Posts: 413 - Karma: 14
really? thats weird from what im hearing they are sick...
Jan 10 2007 4:36PM
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Ar5king
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anyone else have any experience with either of these two skis???
Jan 10 2007 4:53PM
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